Apr 07, 2026 City Council

ITEM FIVE, ITEMS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.

NEXT ITEM

[4. OPEN FORUM.]

IS OPEN FORUM.

WE HAVE ONE APPLICANT FOR OPEN FORUM.

UH, MR. HUCKABEE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

COUNSEL.

UH, MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT MY DAD, TIM HUCKABEE, PASSED AWAY ON MARCH 21ST, EXACTLY FIVE YEARS TO THE DAY AFTER HIS DOUBLE LUNG TRANSPLANT.

OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS, I'VE BEEN REMINDED OF WHAT A SPECIAL PLACE THE CITY OF NACODOCHES AND THE BROADER EAST TEXAS COMMUNITY IS.

FIRST, I WANT TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE TO THE MANY MEMBERS OF OUR COUNCIL, STAFF, AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE TO COMFORT MY FAMILY, UH, AND I THROUGH THIS TIME.

WHETHER THAT WAS THROUGH A TEXT, PHONE CALL, MAIL, SOCIAL MEDIA, FLOWERS, A DELIVERED MEAL, PRAYERS, OR YOUR PRESENCE, WE'RE THANKFUL FOR YOU TO SAY THAT WE'RE DEVASTATED BY THIS LOSS WOULD BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

I'M NOT SURE HOW WELL I CAN, UH, EITHER SUMMARIZE MY DAD'S LIFE OR HIS IMPACT IN A THREE MINUTE OPEN FORUM, BUT I'LL DO MY BEST.

TIM HUCKABEE WAS BORN ON JUNE 1ST, 1962 AT NACODOCHES MEMORIAL HOSPITAL TO MARIAN AND BETH HUCKABEE, AND SPENT MOST OF HIS CHILDHOOD GROWING UP IN ALTO WHILE MY GRANDFATHER WAS PASTORING A CHURCH THERE.

BUT HE ALSO SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME AT MY GRANDPARENTS DAIRY FARM JUST NORTH OF THE NACODOCHES AIRPORT.

HE GRADUATED FROM ALTO HIGH SCHOOL IN 1980 AND BRIEFLY ENROLLED IN COLLEGE BEFORE DROPPING OUT ON FEBRUARY 7TH, 1986.

HE SUFFERED A GUNSHOT WOUND TO HIS LEFT SHOULDER IN AN ACCIDENT THAT WOULD'VE TAKEN, THAT SHOULD HAVE TAKEN HIS LIFE.

AFTER LONG MONTHS IN HOSPITALS ACROSS TWO STATES, HE REHABBED AND BEGAN TO FIND A NEW PURPOSE IN LIFE WITHOUT THE USE OF HIS LEFT ARM.

HE WAS INSPIRED TO RETURN TO SCHOOL AND EVENTUALLY GRADUATED FROM STEPHEN F. AUSTIN STATE UNIVERSITY WITH A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN SOCIAL WORK.

AFTER SOME TIME WORKING FOR MHMR IN HOUSTON COUNTY, HE CAME TO WORK FOR THE BERK CENTER IN OCTOBER OF 1991, WHERE HE WOULD REMAIN AS A LICENSED SOCIAL WORKER AND MENTAL HEALTH CLINICIAN FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS UNTIL HIS HEALTH FOLLOWING HIS TRANSPLANT NO LONGER ALLOWED HIM TO WORK.

HERE ARE TWO ANECDOTES FROM HIS CLIENTS AND COLLEAGUES THAT WERE SHARED WITH ME OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS.

TIM WAS THE FIRST PERSON I TALKED TO AS A BRAND NEW BURKE CLIENT 13 YEARS AGO, AND HE WAS SO KIND AND PATIENT WITH MY 1000 QUESTIONS.

HE ASSURED ME THAT LOTS OF PEOPLE GO THROUGH STUFF, BUT WE'LL BE ALL RIGHT IF WE KEEP BEING HONEST WITH THE PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT US.

HE NEVER GAVE UP ON ME, AND HE CALLED OUT MY BS.

I REMEMBER WHEN HE WAS ALREADY AT HOME, UH, WORKING HOW HE HELPED ME GET MY MEDICINE FILLED WHEN I WAS OUT OF TOWN AND DIDN'T PLAN WELL.

HE WAS SUCH AN AMAZING EXAMPLE OF LOVING THY NEIGHBOR AND CHRISTLIKE COMPASSION.

THANK YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR SHARING WITH HIM WITH US.

I'M SORRY I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO TELL HIM THAT I HAVE FULLY RECOVERED BECAUSE OF THE RESOURCES AND SUPPORT FROM HIM AND OTHERS ON MY CARE TEAM.

ANOTHER SAID, YOUR FATHER WAS USED TO BE MY COUNSELOR AT BERT.

HE HELPED ME IN SO MANY WAYS.

HE WAS AND STILL IS A GOOD MAN FROM A SUPERVISOR.

YOUR DAD KNEW HIS BUSINESS AND WAS A CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL.

HE SHARED HIS WISDOM WITH ALL WHO WERE OPEN TO RECEIVING.

I WAS LUCKY TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH HIM FOR SO MANY YEARS AND ENJOYED HIS FRIENDSHIP FOR ALL THESE YEARS.

AFTERWARD, THESE STORIES TELL OF A QUIET, HUMBLE MAN DEEPLY ROOTED IN HIS, ROOTED IN HIS FAITH IN GOD, LOVE FOR HIS FAMILY, AND BELIEF THAT WE'RE ONLY AS STRONG AS WE ARE UNITED, WEAK AS WE ARE DIVIDED.

HE INSTILLED THESE TRAITS IN ME, NOT JUST IN HIS WORDS, BUT HIS ACTIONS ACROSS MY 33 YEARS.

HE TAUGHT ME THE WAY THAT WE TREAT PEOPLE MATTERS.

THAT WORDS SPOKEN SOFTLY HAVE THE MOST POWERFUL MEANING AND IMPACT.

THAT EGO HAS NO PLACE IN LEADERSHIP, AND THAT RELATIONSHIPS REALLY MATTER.

THAT HAVING THE COURAGE TO STAND UP TO INJUSTICE MATTERS.

I GOT A FRONT ROW SEAT TO LEADERSHIP THAT MADE A DIFFERENCE.

TIM HUCKABEE IS MY INSPIRATION TO BE A BETTER SERVANT OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE BOTH LOVE DEEPLY.

I WILL CONTINUE TO HONOR HIS LIFE AND MEMORY THROUGH HELPING OTHERS WITH THE TRAITS MENTIONED ABOVE THAT FLOW THROUGH MY VEINS AND IN MY DNA.

[5. ITEMS TO BE REMOVED FROM CONSENT AGENDA. (Part 1 of 2)]

I'D LIKE TO REMOVE ITEM SIX C.

ANYTHING ELSE? I MAKE A MOTION

[6. CONSENT AGENDA]

THAT WE APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

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I'LL BE DOWN THERE IN A MINUTE.

MAYBE MORE THAN WHAT WE DID.

I DUNNO.

I'LL BE DOWN.

BE DOWN THERE IN A MINUTE.

IF YOU NEED THE TECH HELP, I'M HERE.

I'LL BE DOWN THERE IN A MINUTE TO HELP Y'ALL.

COUNSEL, UH, CASE SUPPLEMENT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEER.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION.

OUR, UH, OUR SANITARY SEWER DOWN TO OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UH, SOUTH OF TOWN ON RAYBURN DRIVE.

I ASKED, UH, I, I ACTUALLY WARNED CASE I WAS GONNA BE ASKING HIM THIS, BUT IF YOU WOULD GIVE US JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND TO WHAT THIS IS, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR A FEW YEARS, AND I THINK IT'S HELPFUL FOR US ALL TO GET A PERSPECTIVE OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE'RE HEADING WITH THIS.

SO THANK YOU CASE.

SURE.

UM, SO AS YOU SEE BEFORE YOU HERE, WE'VE GOT, UM, OUR BONITA AND ANA, UH, CREEK SEWER REPLACEMENT PROJECT GENERAL AREA.

UM, THESE ARE OUR EXISTING TRUNK MAINS.

UH, IF YOU CAN SEE THAT ON YOUR SCREEN.

YELLOW BEING, UH, THE ANA CREEK SEWER TRUNK MAIN AND RED BEING, UH, THE BONITA SEWER TRUNK MAIN, WHICH TIES INTO ANA AROUND THE SOFTBALL FIELDS JUST SOUTH OF, UH, DOWNTOWN HERE.

WE'VE HAD THIS ON OUR RADAR FOR QUITE SOME TIME, UH, AS, UH, NEEDED REPLACEMENTS FOR THESE.

UH, THESE ARE OUR LARGEST TRUNK MAINS IN TOWN.

AND WHAT, WHAT I MEAN BY TRUNK MAIN IS THESE ARE THE MAIN COLLECTORS FOR ALL THE SEWER LINES IN TOWN, WHICH THEN TRANSPORTS

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AND SO, UH, THESE ARE MAJOR UNDERTAKINGS.

A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF BUDGETING HAS GONE INTO THIS.

UM, THESE ARE ACTUALLY, UH, GONNA BE HOPEFULLY LARGELY FUNDED BY OUR, UM, OUR REVENUE BONDS, WHICH WE, UH, DID LAST YEAR.

AND SO, UM, AND AGAIN, WE WILL, WE'LL LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO OFFSET SOME OF THIS, UH, BUDGET WITH, WITH GRANTS IF THEY COME AVAILABLE.

UM, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, THESE ARE, UH, IN THE CIP UNDER OUR, UH, UTILITY FUND.

AND SO, UH, THE CURRENT, UH, ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A, UH, SURVEYING SERVICES REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS THAT WE DID, UH, OVER THE PAST MONTH OR SO.

THIS IS ONE IN A SERIES OF PROCUREMENTS WE'RE GONNA DO FOR, UH, THIS PROJECT.

UH, WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED, UH, SUBMISSIONS FOR, UH, QUALIFICATIONS ON ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES AS WELL, WHICH WE'RE STILL IN THE SCORING PHASE OF.

BUT, UM, IT'LL BE FOLLOWED IN, IN THE COMING MONTHS BY AN ENGINEERING SERVICES CONTRACT AS WELL.

SO, UH, SEWER, I MEAN, THE, UH, THE SURVEYING AND ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, IS NEEDED TO COME BEFORE THE ENGINEERING BECAUSE WITHOUT IT, THERE'S NOTHING THE ENGINEERS CAN DO DESIGN-WISE WITHOUT THE TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEYS AND BOUNDARY SURVEYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, UH, THIS IS KIND OF THE FIRST STEP TO GETTING THESE PROJECTS, UM, DESIGNED AND IMPLEMENTED AND ULTIMATELY CONSTRUCTED.

SO, UM, WE DID RECEIVE, UM, HOW MANY DID WE RECEIVE? I THINK WE RECEIVED FIVE, IF I'VE GOT, YEAH, FIVE SUBMISSIONS, UH, SEVERAL WEEKS AGO FROM, UM, FROM SURVEYORS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

UM, SOME HERE LOCALLY, UH, AND THEN SOME AS FAR AWAY AS, YOU KNOW, THE METROPLEX AREAS OF DALLAS.

UM, BUT, UH, WE SCORED THEM BASED ON, UH, CRITERIA SUCH AS THE FIRM EXPERIENCE WITH, UH, SIMILAR PROJECTS, COMPETENCIES, UM, WORKLOAD CAPACITY, THINGS LIKE THAT.

ONE COM.

UH, ONE COMPONENT OF THIS PROJECT IS, UH, WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE THE SURVEYING FIRMS TO UTILIZE LIDAR DRONE IMAGERY, WHICH IS SHORT FOR, UH, LIGHT DETECTION AND RANGING.

UM, AND SO THAT'S A VERY HIGH DENSITY, UH, POINT CLOUD THAT'S SHOT ON THE GROUND FOR TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEYING.

UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS.

I BARELY UNDERSTAND IT.

BUT BASICALLY IT'S, IT'S VERY HIGH, VERY HIGH QUALITY SURVEY, UH, GROUND SURVEY DATA.

SO IT'LL BE VERY USEFUL, UM, WHEN THE DESIGNERS ARE ACTUALLY LAYING THESE LINES OUT.

AND SO, UM, WE, UH, AGAIN, RECEIVED FIVE SUBMISSIONS.

UH, THE, UH, HIGHEST SCORING OF OUR, UH, SUBMISSIONS WAS BY TWO 15 CONSULTING AS THE PRIME FIRM.

THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE TEAMING, UH, WITH TWO SUB CONSULTANTS THAT ARE ALSO LOCAL TO NACODOCHES, UH, NT SAMPSON AND ASSOCIATES, AND GLEN HOFF POWER SURVEYING.

ALL OF THESE, UH, SURVEYORS HAVE DONE DECADES OF WORK IN THIS TOWN.

AND SO, UH, WE'RE VERY PLEASED THAT THEY HAD, UM, THE SUBMISSION THAT OUR, OUR SCORING TEAM, AND I SHOULD SAY

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THAT THESE, THESE, UH, SUBMISSIONS WERE SCORED INDEPENDENTLY, UM, BY FOUR OR FIVE TEAM MEMBERS, UH, ACROSS DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY.

SO THESE WERE INDEPENDENT, THESE WERE NOT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NOT A COLLABORATION AMONGST STAFF MEMBERS.

IT WAS INDEPENDENTLY SCORED AND TALLIED.

SO, UH, IF YOU'VE GOT YOUR SCORING IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, OUT OF 400 TOTAL POINTS, UM, TWO 15 KIND OF ROSE TO THE TOP.

THEY WERE VERY COMPETITIVE SUBMISSIONS, BUT TWO 15, UH, WAS FOUND TO BE THE HIGHEST, UH, SCORING.

SO, UM, STAFF IS VERY PLEASED WITH THIS.

WE DO A LOT OF WORK WITH TWO 15 AND THESE OTHER COMPANIES HERE IN TOWN, SO WE'RE VERY, UH, CONFIDENT IN THEIR ABILITIES TO PERFORM THESE SERVICES FOR US.

UM, I SHOULD NOTE THIS IS, AS YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN THERE, OUR TIMELINE IS NOT MONTHS, IT'S YEARS ON THIS.

SO THERE'S A, HOPEFULLY BY THE, BY THE IMAGE YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, YOU SEE WHAT THE, UH, DEPTH OF THIS EFFORT'S GONNA BE.

AND SO, UH, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE, BUT IT'S, UM, ULTIMATELY GONNA BE ABLE TO BE HANDED OVER TO OUR DESIGNERS, AND THEY WILL FEED OUR, UM, DESIGNERS WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT.

ALONG THE WAY, IT'S NOT, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA WAIT TWO YEARS OR MORE BEFORE THE ENGINEERS START WORKING.

IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, AS THEY LAY OUT A CERTAIN SECTION OF THIS, UM, SURVEY, UH, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO FEED THAT INFORMATION TO THE DESIGNERS AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO WORK SIMULTANEOUSLY.

BUT THE FULL SURVEY EFFORT, WHICH INCLUDES EASEMENT SURVEYING AND ACQUISITION AND, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT WILL, WILL BE ON THE TIMELINE OF A COUPLE OF YEARS.

SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS THAT THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE.

SO COULD YOU JUST SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BREAKAGES WE'VE HAD IN THOSE LINES AND THE THREAT IT POSES TO THE CITY? AND WE HAVE, UH, AS I SAID, UM, THESE LINES ARE NAMED AFTER THESE CREEKS BECAUSE THEY'RE RIGHT ALONGSIDE THESE CREEKS.

AND SO THESE ARE, UM, THESE ARE LARGE MAINS.

A LOT OF 'EM ARE MADE OUT OF MATERIALS THAT WE WOULD NOT PROBABLY RECOMMEND ANYMORE.

UM, CONCRETE BEING THE MAIN ONE THAT WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH.

SEWER GAS DOES NOT REALLY JIVE VERY WELL WITH CONCRETE, AS WE'VE COME TO FIND OUT, SINCE THESE LINES WERE BUILT DECADES AGO.

UM, A LOT OF THESE AREAS, IT, IT EATS THROUGH THE CONCRETE, IT EATS IT THROUGH THE STEEL REINFORCEMENT, AND THESE THINGS ESSENTIALLY JUST FALL APART.

SO, UM, WE'VE HAD ISSUES WHERE THESE CREEKS HAVE MEANDERED IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY'VE EXPOSED THESE PIPES AND THE WEIGHT OF THE PIPE HAS ACTUALLY COLLAPSED INTO THE CREEK IN CERTAIN AREAS, UH, WHICH WE'VE HAD TO REMEDIATE, UM, OR DO REMEDIATION ON REPORT TO THE STATE, UM, GO THROUGH ALL THESE EFFORTS.

SO THE, THE, THE GOAL OF REPLACING THESE LINES IS NOT ONLY TO REPLACE THEM, BUT TO MOVE THEM FURTHER AWAY FROM THESE CREEKS WHERE WE CAN AS WELL.

SO, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT YOUR QUESTION WAS NOW.

I'VE BEEN RAMBLING TOO LONG ANSWER.

NO, NO, NO.

DID I ANSWER IT? YOU DID.

YOU'D ANSWER IT.

I THINK IT'S GREAT TO HAVE SOME PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT MM-HMM .

ON WHAT WE'RE DOING.

OH, YOUR, YOUR QUESTION WAS ABOUT BRAKES.

WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL ON EACH, ON EACH OF THESE TRUNK MAINS IN THE PAST, OVER THE PAST DECADE OR, OR SO.

THANK YOU FOR, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY, BUT YOU'VE ANSWERED ALL, ALL MINE.

I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION.

HOW DID YOU DECIDE TO COLOR ANA? THE SAME AS A BANANA ? OH, GEE.

WELL, I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT WAS THE, UH, DISCRETION OF OUR GIS DEPARTMENT.

SO, UM, MAYBE THEY'RE JUST INTUITIVE THAT WAY.

SO IT'S RIGHT AWAYS ARE GONNA BE LARGER BECAUSE OF THE MEANDERING OF THE CREEKS.

WELL, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA RELOCATE THEM, UH, FURTHER AWAY.

WE'RE ON THIS SURVEY.

UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THEM DO BASICALLY A SWATH OF, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED FEET OR SO ON EACH SIDE OF EACH CREEK.

SO IT'S GONNA GIVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ON AREAS WHERE WE MIGHT CAN MOVE THESE IN A BETTER LOCATION.

WE'RE NEEDED.

IT MAY, THEY, THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS OF THE, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, THE NORTH, UM, THE NORTHERN SECTION OF THE ANA LINE IS, IS ACTUALLY KIND OF FAR AWAY FROM THE, THE CREEK ALREADY.

BUT THERE ARE DEFINITELY AREAS, UH, IN THE SOUTH OF IT THAT, UM, ARE GETTING, GETTING TOO CLOSE.

SO WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT WHERE TO STRATEGICALLY MOVE THOSE.

IS IT GOING THROUGH ANYBODY'S YARD OR HOUSE? UH, NOT HOUSE, NO.

WHAT, WHAT? WELL, A HUNDRED FEET.

WELL, YOU KNOW, THESE HOUSES ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE, SOME OF 'EM ARE, AND WE'RE GONNA, THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT THIS DESIGN EFFORT'S GONNA BE, IS FIGURING OUT WHERE, WHERE THESE THINGS CAN GO.

UH, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO AFFECT ANYBODY'S PROPERTY IN A NEGATIVE WAY.

UM, UNLESS YOU WANT IT CLOSER.

BRAD? HUSH.

RUN IT DOWN MAIN, UH, MAIN STREET IF YOU WANT US TO.

I'D LIKE THAT.

HUSH.

I THINK THAT'S A WELL, WELL SAID.

UM, JUST TRY TO CALM HIM DOWN.

BUT,

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SO, WHAT, ? YES.

WE'LL, UM, SO WE'LL DO A LOT OF THINKING ABOUT THAT AS TIME GOES ON, UH, JUST TO GET IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

THERE MIGHT EVEN BE AREAS I CAN'T SPEAK TO THIS, I DON'T KNOW, BUT, UM, POTENTIALLY MOVE, MOVE IT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK IN SOME AREAS, SO.

OH, OKAY.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THE, THE SURVEY DATA SHOWS, AND THEN WHAT, UM, WHAT WORKS AND WHAT MAKES SENSE.

IT'S A MONUMENTAL JOB, ISN'T IT? IT'S A BIG UNDERTAKING, SO, OKAY.

BUT BIG PICTURE IN, IN SERIOUSNESS, YOU'RE TRYING TO RELOCATE.

SO WE'LL HAVE LESS WASHOUT AS WELL, UH, AFFECTING IT LONG TERM, WHICH THAT'S ONE OF THE DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS THAT HAS HAD TO BE FACTORED IN ON THIS EVEN MATERIAL.

I MEAN, THIS GETS SO IN DEPTH THAT IT'S, IT'S MATERIAL EVEN IS GONNA BE A HIGHLY CONSIDERED ASPECT OF IT.

UH, WE THINK, YOU KNOW, OH, JUST PUT A PIPE IN THE GROUND.

WELL, WHAT WE WANT TO BUILD THIS TO LAST ANOTHER A HUNDRED YEARS.

YEP.

UM, IF WE CAN, UH, SO AT LEAST, AT LEAST UNTIL I'M DONE, BUT, UM, SO DECADES IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.

SO WHAT IS THAT PIPE MATERIAL THAT'S GONNA LAST THAT LONG AT THAT SIZE? 'CAUSE THESE ARE GONNA BE BIG LINES.

SO WHAT IS THAT PIPE MATERIAL? WE DON'T KNOW YET.

OH.

I'M GONNA COUNT ON MY, UH, DESIGNERS TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY NOT TO UTILIZE ALL THE TIME HERE.

BUT, UM, PVC IS WHAT WE GENERALLY GO BACK WITH NOW FOR SEWER LINES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A 50 YEAR HISTORY ON PVC.

ALMOST 50 REALLY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A HUNDRED YEAR HISTORY ON PVC, SO WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE THINK IT'S GREAT.

IT IS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A HUNDRED YEAR HISTORY.

WE DO HAVE A HUNDRED YEAR HISTORY ON SOME OLDER TYPES OF MATERIAL LIKE CLAY, BUT WE DON'T GENERALLY PUT CLAY IN THE GROUND ANYMORE, SO, YEAH.

MM-HMM .

IT'S ALL A DISCUSSION, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, BUT I, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION IF YOU'D LIKE IT, THAT WE APPROVE THE SELECTION, UM, OF TWO 15 CONSULTING FOR THIS WORK IS OUTLINED AT ITEM SIX C.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

CASE TO THE REGULAR

[7.A. Consider approval of a Memorandum of Understanding between the City of Nacogdoches and the Texas Department of Transportation for the Transportation Alternatives Set-Aside Program project related to enhancing bicycle and pedestrian mobility along North Street; and authorize the City Manager to execute any and all necessary documents. (Executive Director of Development and Infrastructure)]

AGENDA.

UH, ITEM SEVEN A CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE CITY OF NACODOCHES AND THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION OF THE TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE SET ASIDE PROGRAM, PROJECT RELATED TO ENHANCING BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY ALONG NORTH STREET, AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.

MR. NEW EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MIKE NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT INFRASTRUCTURE.

TONIGHT'S ITEM IS, UM, TYPICALLY NOT PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.

A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING CAN BE EXECUTED OFTEN BY A CITY MANAGER, BUT YOU AS A COUNCIL AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE SUCH DOCUMENTS AS WELL.

UM, THIS PROJECT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH A COUPLE OF ITERATIONS WITH THE COUNCIL ON, UM, RECEIVING AUTHORIZATION FROM YOU TO EVEN APPLY FOR, UH, THIS GRANT AWARD THAT WE'RE NOW, UH, BEGINNING THE PROCESS OF EXECUTING.

SO, BACK IN JANUARY OF 2025, TEXT TDOT ANNOUNCED THIS CALL FOR PROJECTS FOR TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE SETASIDE PROGRAM.

IT'S A REGULAR, IT'S A RECURRING PROGRAM, UH, FEDERALLY FUNDED, AND THEN BASICALLY IMPLEMENTED, UH, THROUGH ORGANIZATIONS, BUREAUCRACIES LIKE TXDOT.

UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO, UH, ENHANCE AND IMPLEMENT ACTIVE AND ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.

PROJECTS THAT EMPHASIZE BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY PRIMARILY.

UM, WE FOUND AN INTEREST IN THIS PARTICULAR CALL FOR PROJECTS BECAUSE LIKE MANY PROJECTS AROUND THE CITY, WE ARE PARTNERING WITH TAXON IN JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING WE CAN, TRYING TO LEVERAGE THEIR CAPABILITIES AND THEIR FUNDING, UM, TO IMPROVE AREAS WHERE WE KNOW THERE ARE INTERSECTIONS WITH OUR LOCAL STREETS AND LOTS OF MOBILITY.

WE KNOW NORTH STREET IS A VERY, UH, CONGESTED AREAS, OUR PRIMARY STREET THAT RUNS RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF TOWN.

WE'VE TALKED MANY TIMES ABOUT HOW WE CAN INTEGRATE IMPROVEMENTS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH SFA IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES, THAT FRONT NORTH STREET, MANY OF THEM, MOST OF THEM DO.

UM, AND THEN WORK THROUGH WHAT WE KNOW ARE SOME OBSTACLES WITH NORTH STREET IMPROVEMENTS, THE LACK OF RIGHT OF WAY, THE WIDTH.

UM, IT'S SUCH AN OLD CORRIDOR FOR THE CITY.

MANY OF OUR, UH, COMMERCIAL ENTITIES AND, AND EVEN THE CAMPUS ITSELF COMES VERY CLOSE.

I KNOW MAYBE YOU'VE GOT A LOCAL BUSINESS THAT RIGHT.

RUNS RIGHT UP ON THAT LINE WITH TRAFFIC.

SO HOW DO YOU WORK AROUND THAT? HOW DO YOU WORK THROUGH THAT? TEAR IT DOWN.

JUST , I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD.

BUT IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS PRECEDED ME AND MY RIVAL HERE, BUT, UM, CERTAINLY IS A CHALLENGE THAT WE CONTINUALLY TALK ABOUT AND WANT TO WORK THROUGH IN ORDER TO IMPROVE NOT ONLY HOW TO GET TRAFFIC THROUGH AND AROUND NACODOCHES, BUT IMPROVE THE LOOK OF IT, RIGHT.

IMPROVE OUR GATEWAY, UH,

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THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY WILL BE DOING IS PROBABLY PROVIDING US, BECAUSE THEY'LL BE TAKING THE LEAD ON THEIR RIGHT OF WAY.

SO, UM, WE DECIDED TO APPLY AND COUNCIL AUTHORIZE THE CITY TO APPLY FOR WHAT WE CALL THE NORTH STREET ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

ESSENTIALLY, WE WANTED TO TAKE THE CORRIDOR BEGINNING AT, UM, WHERE SOME OF OUR NORTH STREET, OR ACTUALLY NORTH STREET BEGINS AT PILLAR STREET, UM, THE ENTRANCE TO OUR DOWNTOWN AREA, AND GOING ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH CAMPUS FRONTAGE AND ENDING AT, UH, WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER A, A PRIMARY STRETCH, UH, AT AUSTIN STREET AT THAT INTERSECTION.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE MANY AREAS, UH, WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR, UM, ZONE THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY AND MAYBE EVEN HIGHLIGHT BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS? IT'S MORE THAN SIDEWALKS.

IT'S A CONSIDERATION OF POTENTIALLY BIKE LANES, UH, CHANGES IN, IN ACCESS, DIFFERENT ACCESS MANAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES FROM BUSINESSES.

IT'S A LONG CONVERSATION.

THERE COULD BE MANY OPTIONS HERE TO, TO MAXIMIZE WHAT THIS PLAN INTENDS TO IMPROVE.

BUT, UM, AND MANY, IT TAKES ON MANY SHAPES AND FORMS DEPENDING ON WHAT COMMUNITY RECEIVES FUNDING OF THIS TYPE.

BUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT DOES FOCUS PRIMARILY ON THAT PILLAR TO AUSTIN STREET AREA, UM, AND NORTH AND SOUTHBOUND BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.

WHAT PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET.

WE'RE STILL IN THE VERY EARLY STAGES.

THIS IS SIMPLY TO ENGAGE TXDOT NOT ON A CONTRACT, WHICH, IF THIS WERE A TRADITIONAL GRANT AWARD, WE WOULD ESTABLISH A CONTRACT WITH TXDOT.

THIS IS AN MOU, BECAUSE WHAT TXDOT HAS OFFERED TO DO HERE IS ESSENTIALLY ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT.

WE ARE IN CONSULTATION WITH THEM THROUGHOUT, BUT BECAUSE WE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT CREDITS, THAT IS A FEDERAL CREDIT OPPORTUNITY, IT ALLOWS US TO BASICALLY NOT PROVIDE ANY LOCAL MATCH.

SO NOT ONLY DO WE BENEFIT BY NOT COMMITTING ANY HARD DOLLARS, ANY OF OUR GENERAL FUND DOLLARS OR OTHER DOLLARS TO THIS PROJECT, TDOT WILL ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY CARRY THINGS FORWARD AND BRING US ALONG ESSENTIALLY FOR THE RIDE.

TXDOT DID EXPRESS WITH US THAT THERE IS AN INTEREST IN HAVING US TAKE THE LEAD ON ANY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

WE ARE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

UM, SO I DON'T HAVE A HARD TIMELINE, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT IN OUR DISCUSSIONS IN OUR ENGAGEMENT WITH TXDOT.

ALL THIS DOES IS, IS SET THE TONE FOR HOW WE WILL ENGAGE TXDOT IN, IN UNDER WHAT, UH, PARAMETERS WE DO THAT, UM, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THOSE, UH, DETAILS WITHIN THE MOU ITSELF.

AND YOUR ACTION TONIGHT WILL SIMPLY BE TO, UH, ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THAT DOCUMENT.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

SO I'VE BEEN IN, I WAS IN DENTON RECENTLY, AND THEY HAVE BOLLARDS OR WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLED TO MAKE A BIKE LANE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? MM-HMM .

THE STANCHIONS THAT GO THROUGH, IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ON NORTH STREET? WELL, LET, LET ME, LET ME THROW, THROW MYSELF IN FRONT OF THE BUS HERE.

SO, WE'RE BEGINNING A PLANNING PROCESS.

IT'S TEXTILES RIGHT OF WAY, OBVIOUSLY IT'S SERVING OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES.

WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE POTENTIALLY SFA DOUBLE IN STUDENT POPULATION OVER THE LONG HAUL.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE CONTIGUOUS DRIVEWAYS THROUGHOUT.

WE HAVE UNIVERSITY AS A PARALLEL CORRIDOR.

WE ALSO HAVE, UH, PEARL STREET.

WHAT THIS WILL DO EFFECTIVELY WILL KICK OFF THE PLANNING PROCESS ON A HOST OF OPTIONS.

TXDOT WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC, CURRENT TRAFFIC VOLUMES, FUTURE TRAFFIC VOLUMES.

THEY WILL LIKELY HAVE TO MODEL THE TURNING MOVEMENTS AND THEN OFFER PROBABLY A HOST OF OPTIONS.

THERE MAY NOT BE A GREAT WAY TO MOVE THROUGH THAT SEGMENT, UH, AT, LET'S SAY A HIGH SPEED.

IF ANYTHING, THERE WILL BE MORE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY REGARDLESS THROUGH THERE.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO LOOK AT THAT NEXUS BETWEEN THE PEDESTRIAN PIECE OR THE ALTERNATIVE PIECE.

SO WHEN MIKE SAYS IT MAY EVEN BE A DUAL USE, UH, LET'S SAY OFF STREET FACILITY.

SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT, IT DEFAULTS TO A BIKE LANE ONLY.

THEY WILL HAVE TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON THROUGHPUT OF PASSENGER TRAFFIC AND CARS.

HOW MUCH OF, AND THEY'LL HAVE TO DO, THERE'S SOME, SOME INTERPOLATING, IF I MAY USE THAT TERM.

UH, THAT WILL COME IN WITH THAT, LOOKING AT THE PROXIMITY OF STUDENT HOUSING, SOME OF THE THINGS IN THE MASTER PLAN.

SOME, UH, THIS IS ALSO GOOD TIMING ALSO WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IF THAT'S A SEPARATE ITEM.

UM, BUT WHAT

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AND THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE IMPORTANT THINGS.

MM-HMM .

WE NEED THEIR BUY-IN FOR ANYTHING TO HAPPEN THERE.

NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FOLKS THAT WE WERE, UH, IN THE LIST OF COMMISSION APPROVED PROJECTS, OTHERS THAT HAD RECEIVED, UH, PLANNING FUNDS PREVIOUSLY, THEY ACTUALLY WERE GETTING, YOU KNOW, 5 MILLION, 10 MILLION FOR ACTUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

WHAT FORM THIS WILL TAKE, WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE.

I SUSPECT THEY MAY THROW OUT SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE MORE URBAN OPTIONS, ESPECIALLY IN THE PROXIMITY OF THE, OF THE SCHOOL.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, URBAN OPTIONS? WELL, WHAT IT, WHAT IT SIMPLY MEANS IS YOU CAN ONLY FIT SO MUCH STUFF IN A, YOU CAN ONLY FIT SO MUCH IN A FIVE POUND SACK.

NICE WAY I CAN PUT IT.

SO THEY'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW MANY CARS CAN YOU MOVE THROUGH THERE? CAN YOU CHANNELIZE SOME OF THE TURNING MOVEMENTS? CAN YOU ACCOMMODATE MORE PEDESTRIANS? BECAUSE AGAIN, IF YOU'VE GOT CONTINUOUS FLOW, IF YOU HAVE, VERSUS PLATOONING OF TRAFFIC, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE FACTORED IN WITHIN A GIVEN RIGHT OF WAY WITHOUT TAKING MORE RIGHT OF WAY AND WIPING OUT BUSINESSES, YOU'LL HAVE SO MANY OPTIONS.

SO MY GUT IS, HAVING WORKED ON VARIOUS CORRIDOR PROJECTS, THEY MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME, SOME OPTIONS THAT WOULD INCLUDE MAYBE SLOWING TRAFFIC, MAYBE, UH, CONTINUOUS FLOW OF TRAFFIC THROUGH, THROUGH SOME AREAS, AND THEN MAYBE EVEN SOME PEDESTRIAN TYPE AMENITIES TO MAKE IT A SHORTER SPAN TO CROSS THE STREET.

PROBABLY SOME THINGS THAT WOULD ALSO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE USER-FRIENDLY FOR BICYCLES AND PEDESTRIANS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE COMING AND GOING, UH, TO THE CAMPUS.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN ASSUME THAT WITH THE CURRENT CAMPUS PLANS, THAT THE, THAT THE DO NOTHING IS A GOOD ALTERNATIVE FOR NORTH STREET.

IT MIGHT NOT BE A GOOD ALTERNATIVE FOR STAR OR FOR A UNIVERSITY.

BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS BIG PICTURE IN TERMS OF VOLUME.

THEY'LL MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.

I'M SURE PEOPLE THAT WANT THINGS TO, OKAY, YOU KNOW, IN 1985 IT WORKED LIKE THIS.

THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE, BUT IT, THAT ALSO MIGHT'VE BEEN WHEN THEY HAD 12,000 STUDENTS OR WHATEVER THEIR PEAK WAS IN, IN THE LATE EIGHTIES, BUT IT MIGHT NOT WORK WITH 18.

AND SO THERE THAT WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THEM ON SOLICITING INPUT FOR A HOST OF OPTIONS, BOTH BACK OF CURB OR IN THE STREET.

BUT THAT'S WHY Y'ALL GET THE BIG BUCKS ON SOME OF THE DEC DECISION MAKING TOO.

THEY'LL LOOK AT COMMUNITY INPUT, THEY'LL LOOK AT Y'ALL'S INPUT.

UM, BUT I CAN ALSO TELL YOU, HAVING WORKED WITH TDOT AND OTHER COMMUNITIES, NOT JUST IN THE HILL COUNTRY, BUT IN THE GULF COAST, IF YOU TELL THEM THE OPTIONS OF, OKAY, I DON'T LIKE ANY OF THE ABOVE.

GO AWAY CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.

SOMETIMES THEY WILL GO AWAY AND THEY'LL JUST LEAVE YOU WITH WHAT IT IS.

AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S GOT GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S PALATABLE THAT FUNCTIONS.

I THINK WE NEED TO GO INTO IT WITH AN OPEN MIND.

I THINK THEIR INTENT IS TO MAKE THE FUNCTIONALITY AND THE SAFETY OF IT BETTER.

UM, BUT AGAIN, WHEN THE VOLUMES GO UP AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CAPABILITY OF CHANNELIZING TURN MOVEMENTS OR GETTING PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET, YOU CAN EXPECT AN UPTICK.

AND SCOTT WILL TELL YOU, YOU CAN EXPECT AN UPTICK ON ACCIDENTS, ON PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS ON T-BONES.

UH, THERE'S ONLY, ONLY SO MANY THINGS YOU CAN DO.

AND WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH THEM TO LOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVES.

AND WHEN I SAY URBAN, I MEAN IN A SECTION, SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE CLOSER SPEED TO WHAT IT IS DOWNTOWN.

YOU MIGHT HAVE NO OTHER WAY OF GETTING THROUGH THERE IF YOU DOUBLE THE STUDENT POPULATION OVER THE NEXT DECADE.

UM, WE'LL ALSO NEED TO BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY, WHERE SFA IS PLACING FUTURE GARAGES WHERE THEY ANTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, TEARING DOWN DORMS AND MOVING THINGS.

IT'S ALL GOTTA GO INTO WHAT'S KNOWN TYPICALLY AS A SYNCHRO MODEL.

AND IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF GARBAGE AND GARBAGE OUT.

AND IT'LL THEN THEY'LL PROBABLY PROPOSE SOME BEST PRACTICES FROM ASH TO THE, THE ENGINEERING STANDARDS ON WHAT YOUR OPTIONS ARE.

THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PLAN WILL NOT BE IN A VACUUM.

UH, SFA WILL CERTAINLY HAVE A STAKEHOLDER ROLE.

UH, OUR, OUR BROAD COMMUNITY WILL HAVE A STAKEHOLDER ROLE IN ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

THIS WON'T BE THE LAST TIME YOU AS A COUNCIL HEAR FROM US REGARDING THIS PLAN.

DIFFERENT BENCHMARKS THROUGHOUT THE

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DEVELOPMENT.

WE'LL BE BRINGING SOME THINGS TO YOU AND ASKING FOR YOUR FEEDBACK AS A BODY AS WELL.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, COUNCILMEMBER, ANYTHING'S ON THE TABLE AT THIS POINT.

UM, THE GOAL I KNOW FOR TDO AND WITH THE CITY'S PARTNERSHIP IS TO GATHER AS MUCH DATA AS WE CAN.

NOT ONLY THE VEHICLE TRAFFIC DATA, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC DATA, UM, INCORPORATE THE SFA MASTER PLAN, INCORPORATE THE CITY'S, UM, LONG TERM PLANS, AND START WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THOSE OPTIONS.

PRESENTING THOSE, VETTING THEM, DETERMINING THERE MAY BE SEVERAL GOOD OPTIONS.

THERE MAY BE SEVERAL BAD OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER, UM, BAD IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S PRIORITIZING TRAFFIC THROUGH OUR MAIN QUARTER.

SO, UM, ANYTHING IS POTENTIALLY ON THE TABLE, BUT THIS IS GONNA BE A MULTIDIMENSIONAL PLAN.

AND, AND LET, SO ANY ONE SOLUTION IS JUST, IT'LL BE MORE THAN THAT.

AND LET ME THROW THIS OUT.

HAVING SEEN STUFF IN THE DALLAS AREA, WHICH I NEVER USE AS A GOOD EXAMPLE MM-HMM .

UM, OR A LOT OF STUFF IN THE AUSTIN AREA, SAME THING.

I WOULDN'T USE THOSE AS GREAT EXAMPLES.

THERE'S SOME EUROPEAN EXAMPLES THAT ARE GREAT.

UM, AND THAT SOME OF THOSE THINGS Y'ALL WOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT AND GO, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

WHAT MAY NOT MAKE ANY SENSE IS THE SCENARIO WHERE YOU HAVE EITHER BULBS OR BOLLARDS IN THE WRONG PLACE AND A A BUNCH OF PAVEMENT THAT'S NOT UTILIZED AND HAS ONE BIKE IN IT.

AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR CONCERN IS ON THAT, BUT WHAT IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE IS TO CREATE A LARGER PATHWAY, HAVE FEWER LANES IN A SECTION, AND ACTUALLY A, BASICALLY, I HATE TO USE THE TERM DOUBLE WIDE, BUT A DOUBLE WIDE SIDEWALK THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE BOTH PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLES THAT'S BEHIND THE CURB.

THAT ALSO HAS POSSIBLY, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT BOLLARDS OR MAYBE IT'S LIKE GALVESTON, WHERE YOU DO HAVE THE LIGHTED BOLLARDS ON THE EDGE OF THE CURB THAT ALSO PROVIDES SOME PHYSICAL BARRIER AND LIGHTING AND OTHER AESTHETICS.

UM, WOULDN'T IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO WORK ON PEARL AND UNIVERSITY AS ALTERNATE ROOTS INSTEAD OF THIS? WELL, 'CAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE THROUGH A, AN ENORMOUS FIT RECENTLY OVER THE REMOVAL OF A RED LIGHT THERE AT CADENCE BANK AND NORTH STREET.

WELL, THAT WAS JUST RON COLLINS.

YEAH.

BUT WHAT I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU DO HAVE TO CONSIDER THE BUSINESS PEOPLE THERE.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS TOWN AND ALREADY NORTH STREET IS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY CONGESTED.

THAT'S, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING THOUGH, IS THAT, ARE YOU TRYING TO MOVE THE TRAFFIC OFF OF NORTH STREET? I THINK I, I WOULDN'T LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.

WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, IF YOU HAVE DESTINATION TRAFFIC ON NORTH STREET, IF YOU HAVE DESTINATION TRAFFIC TO THOSE BUSINESSES, IF YOU ARE MIXING IT WITH OTHER TRAFFIC THAT MIGHT BE BETTER ON UNIVERSITY.

YOU PROBABLY WANT THOSE TAKING UNIVERSITY.

IF YOU WANT TO GET FOLKS TO THE, TO THE CASH REGISTER, IF YOU WANT TO GET THEM BACK AND FORTH ACROSS.

SO THERE'S A NET BENEFIT FOR THOSE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, GETTING STUDENTS TO AND FROM YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO LEAVE AS WIDE OF A CROSS SECTION FOR THOSE KIDS TO RUN ACROSS, UH, SAFELY.

AND THAT IS WHERE, AND BELIEVE ME, I WOULD, HAVING RUN TRANSIT, HAVING DONE URBAN REDEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO HAVING DONE SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE TAKE, UH, AND I DON'T THINK TEXT OUT WILL BE EITHER.

WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT JUST GONNA TAKE SOME RANDOM TOOL AND SUGGEST IT BE APPLIED ON A, ON THE WRONG JOB.

BUT I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME CONCEPTS THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE AN OPEN MIND ON THAT FUNCTIONALLY.

SO LEVEL OF SERVICE, LET'S, LET'S JUST LOOK AT THAT.

THAT'S WHERE THE SYNCHRO MODEL AND THINGS LIKE THAT COME IN.

THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AT INCIDENTS AND TRAFFIC DEATHS OR PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS ALL FACTOR IN.

AND I THINK THAT THAT APPROACH, I'D SAY GO THROUGH THE ANALYSIS, LET THE CONSIDERATIONS OCCUR, LET THE DATA DRIVE SOME OF THIS, OR A LOT OF IT.

AND THEN ALSO LET THEM TRY TO SHOW US THREE DIMENSIONALLY WHAT SOME OF THESE THINGS WOULD LOOK LIKE AND HOW THEY MIGHT FUNCTION.

AND YOU, ONCE YOU START LOOKING AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, SO THEY, THE ENGINEERS, THEY LOVE DOING THIS RANKING THINGS, YOU KNOW, A TO F YOU PROBABLY WILL GET TO A LEVEL OF SERVICE F AT SOME POINT ANYWAY.

IF YOU DO NOTHING, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO RAISE IT TO A C, BUT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO REDUCE INCIDENTS, REDUCE DEATHS, REDUCE UH, SPEEDING, ALL OF THE ABOVE.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION ON THIS.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO COME TO ANY, I'M SURE I'VE NEVER HAD A SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNT.

THANK THE LORD.

UH, I'M SURE SOMEONE WILL BE ON SOCIAL MEDIA,

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JUST BECAUSE I'M SAYING THIS.

I THINK EVERYONE NEEDS TO HAVE AN OPEN MIND AND LET THE DATA DRIVE IT.

AND THEN WHAT SOME POTENTIAL OPTIONS ARE BEFORE WE COME.

ANYONE COMES TO ANY CONCLUSIONS? LET ME, LET ME SAY THIS.

ALL, ALL WE'RE DOING IS CONSIDERING AN APPROVAL, UH, OF A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE CITY OF NACODOCHES AND THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR ALTERNATIVE SET ASIDE PROGRAM.

PROJECT PERIOD.

WE'RE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING TONIGHT.

WE ARE JUST GIVING THEM THE AUTHORITY TO GET THE PROCESS STARTED.

WE'RE NOT IN THE DESIGN, WE'RE NOT INTO ANYTHING.

WE'RE JUST ASKING THEM THIS COUNCIL TO GIVE THEM THE AUTHORITY TO START SOMETHING.

AND THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF CONVERSATION, BUT IT, NOTHING'S GONNA BE DECIDED TONIGHT.

BUT WHAT'S ON THIS AGENDA? I, I STILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

SURE.

AND IF I COULD JUST MAKE ONE MORE THING IS THAT, WELL, WE GOTTA BE OPEN ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WHEN YOU SUPPORT IT, AND I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT SUPPORTING IT, BUT WHEN YOU DO SUPPORT IT, THEN THEY, PEOPLE COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU VOTED FOR THIS.

WHY ARE YOU AGAINST IT NOW? WELL, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE, WE WERE JUST A LONG FOR THE RIDE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT A LONG FOR THE RIDE MEANS.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THIS.

SURE.

AND I THINK, AND I DON'T WANT IT THROWN BACK IN MY FACE THAT I VOTED FOR SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING.

WELL, YOU, YOU AND I THINK THE LLOYD STREET SIGNAL IS A, IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHERE AND WHAT DO WE, WE WANNA MAXIMIZE OUR ENGAGEMENT WITH TXDOT DURING THIS PROCESS.

THAT, AND WHAT ARE WE GONNA GET FOR $173,000? WELL, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET FOR $173,000 IS A LOT MORE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE FOR THE ROADWAY SIDE AND THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PIECE, BECAUSE THAT IS THE BACK OF CURB PIECE.

UM, WE'LL HAVE A FINAL TALLY.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BRING MORE MONEY TO THE TABLE.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE'RE DOING THIS MOU.

OKAY? BECAUSE WE CAN'T EVEN PUT A ROOF ON THIS PLACE FOR A HUNDRED, $3,000.

NO IS JUST A PLAN.

THIS IS PLANNING WORK AND THEY ARE BRINGING OTHER STATE PLANNING RESOURCES 'CAUSE IT'S THEIR ROAD.

SO LET'S BE REAL CLEAR, THAT'S NOT OUR RIGHT OF WAY.

THAT'S NOT OUR STREET.

WE HAVE NO MAINTENANCE ON IT.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.

AND YES, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THE LLOYD STREET SIGNAL, BUT IF YOU DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THAT, OF THE CAMPUS POPULATION, AT LEAST, I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE ALL SLEEPING THERE, BUT LET'S SAY THEY'RE ALL THERE AT ONE TIME, UM, THAT THAT FACILITY AND THE OTHER FACILITIES IN PROXIMITY WILL NOT FUNCTION THE SAME WAY.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE DOING IT.

THEY SAW THIS AS A, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PARTNER AND WORK WITH A COMMUNITY AND START HAVING SOME OF THESE DISCUSSIONS.

UM, AGAIN, IT MAY COME BACK, THEY LEAVE IT ALONE.

IT MAY COME BACK.

BUT MY GUESS IS THE DO NOTHING IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET YOU PAST A PRETTY TOUGH LEVEL OF SERVICE.

SO WE'VE DONE THAT FOR THE LAST 50, 60 YEARS.

I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THIS, YOU COULD SAY I WAS, UH, I WAS FOR IT BEFORE I WAS AGAINST IT, BUT I WON'T MAKE THAT.

I'M NOT IN POLITICS.

DEPENDS ON WHAT IS IS.

SO, SO, UM, I'M GONNA FOLLOW UP, UM, ON, I I DO, I, BRAD I HADN'T BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THAT.

SOMETIMES I THINK WE GET INTO A PROCESS AND THERE'S SO MUCH PLANNING THAT WE END UP WITH A PACKAGE AND THEN WE'RE KIND OF CAUGHT MM-HMM .

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT EVEN CONCERNS ME IS EVEN RELATED TO ENHANCING BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY ALONG NORTH STREET.

SO ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS, DO WE WANT TO, UH, INCREASE BICYCLE ACTIVITY ON NORTH STREET OR DO WE WANT TO PUT IT IN A DIFFERENT PLACE? DOES THIS TIE US INTO PUTTING BICYCLES ON NORTH STREET? NO.

CAN I SAY SOMETHING? I I, LET ME ASK, LET THEM ASK MY NO, I'M GONNA ANSWER.

I CAN, I THINK I CAN, I'M SMART ENOUGH TO ANSWER THAT.

I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING.

THAT'S WHAT TDOT'S JOB FOR THEN WHY ARE WE DOING IT? HUH? WHY ARE WE DOING IT? WE'RE GIVING THEM THE, THE, THE AUTHORITY TO START THE DIALOGUE WITH THEM, TO COME UP WITH A PLAN IF THERE IS A PLAN.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING, BRAD.

THE POSITIVE, I'M JUST ASKING ONE POSITIVE ASPECT OF THIS IS THAT, UM, THIS LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT IN THIS PARTICULAR PLANNING PROCESS WITH TDOT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK IN A WAY THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEFORE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS A BIG DEAL.

THIS, THIS.

LET, LET ME, LET ME, UM, LANDS AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL JUST, UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT REMINDING COUNCIL SUES PIPES AND, AND, AND THIS, THE, TONIGHT THIS MOU CAME ABOUT, UM, UH, THIS ITEM TONIGHT CAME ABOUT BECAUSE THE CITY INITIATED AN APPLICATION FOR GRANT FUNDING, NOT ANTICIPATING TEXT.

I'M NOT QUESTIONING, I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE MU AT ALL.

AND, OR EVEN TDOT FUNDING.

I'M JUST

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MANY TDOT PROJECTS WE'RE NOTIFIED.

THERE'S COMMUNITY INPUT THAT TDOT OVERSEES, BUT THE CITY'S ROLE ON THAT IS A BIT DISTANT.

THIS IS A VERY, THIS IS A MUCH MORE ENGAGED PROCESS.

AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS PLANNING, THIS IS THE PLANNING PROCESS AND SUBSEQUENT PHASES OF IMPROVEMENTS, WE WOULD NEED TO WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH TXDOT TO REQUEST THOSE FUNDS FROM THE COMMISSION.

SO AGAIN, WE WOULD, THEY WOULD LIKELY WOULD NOT PURSUE ANY FUNDING FOR ANYTHING THAT WASN'T LOCALLY SUPPORTED IN THAT CORRIDOR.

THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT BECAUSE THE, IF AGAIN, IF YOU GO BACK TO THOSE ENTITIES THAT WERE LISTED ON THE AWARD FROM THE COMMISSION, THE MINUTE ORDER THAT THIS ONE WAS LISTED IN, THEY REQUESTED CAPITAL FUNDS EVEN ON TXDOT CORRIDORS IN SOME CASES THROUGH THEIR TOWNS FOR THE EXACT SAME THINGS.

BUT THAT WAS, AGAIN, THAT'S US GOING BACK, WORKING WITH TDOT AND THEN ASKING FOR MONEY FOR SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS.

SO THEY WANT OUR COMMUNITY INPUT.

THAT IS RIGHT.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

SO, SO LET ME ASK MY QUESTION AGAIN 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE I GOT AN ANSWER.

SO THE WORDING IS THAT THE MOU IS TO ENHANCE BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN MO MOBILITY ALONG NORTH STREET.

AND SO ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, IN FACT, SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT THIS TO MY ATTENTION, BUT ALSO I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON IT THAT, UM, THE DANGERS OF HAVING BICYCLE INCLUDED WITH, UH, CARS AND PEDESTRIANS, WELL, THAT THERE MAY BE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE TO BICYCLES IN, IN LIKE, PERHAPS ANOTHER ROAD.

AND DOES THIS BECAUSE OF THE, THIS WORDING DOES THIS, I WOULDN'T GET INTO THE, I WOULD NOT GET INTO THAT DEPTH OF LEGALESE ON A PLANNING, UH, MOU.

AND THE REASON I'LL SAY THIS, I'D PROBABLY HAVE HAIR IF I WENT BACK THROUGH ALL OF THE PEDESTRIAN TRANSIT MASTER PLANS.

I'VE WORKED ON UPTOWN HOUSTON, UPPER KIRBY MIDTOWN, GREATER SOUTHEAST MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, GREATER EAST END, EVERY ONE OF THOSE GALVESTON LEAGUE CITY, I COULD KEEP GOING ON.

THIS IS JUST SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THE HOST OF LARGER OPTIONS.

AND THEN WHITTLE DOWN, NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL THIS IS THIS, IT MAY BE THAT YOU CANNOT FIT A MULTI-USE PATHWAY.

IT MAY BE THAT YOU CAN FIT A MULTI-USE PATHWAY ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD, BUT YOU CAN'T ON THE OTHER, IT MAY BE THAT THEY RECOMMEND STRIPING DOWN PEARL, WHICH IS NOT THEIR FACILITY.

IT MAY BE THAT IT RECOMMENDS SOMETHING ELSE ADJACENT TO UNIVERSITY.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

I THINK WE, AGAIN, THEY WILL HAVE TO USE A COMPUTER, UH, MODEL ON SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THESE NUMBERS.

IT MAY NOT BE JUSTIFIED AT ALL THAT THE USAGE IS HIGH ENOUGH AND, AND THEY COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, BIKES ARE REALLY INTERNAL TO THE CAMPUS.

THEY JUST NEED TO COME UP TO THE PERIPHERY OR CROSS THE STREET.

I I I, I, I, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE YOU ALL LOOKING FOR OUTSIDE FUNDING, UH, ALL THE PLANNING GRANTS AND THEN FOLLOWED BY, YOU KNOW, THE SUBSTANTIAL DOLLARS THAT THEY'LL BRING TO IT.

SO ONE THING I'LL, I'LL, IT'S VERY HELPFUL, UM, MAKE NOTE OF WITH THE COUNCIL, WHAT YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN HERE IS AN INVENTORY OF OTHER ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLANS.

MM-HMM .

MANY OF THEM ARE LABELED BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN MASTER PLANS.

SOME OF THEM ARE INTEGRATED WITHIN COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.

SOME OF THEM ARE, UH, COUNTY AREA GOVERNMENT, TRANS MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLANS, REGIONAL PLANS.

THEY TAKE ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT SHAPES AND FORMS. UM, NOTHING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF A NORTH STREET ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN GUARANTEES THAT ANYTHING IS OR ISN'T BUILT.

WHAT IT DOES DO IS GIVE US DATA TO ASSESS IT'S GONNA, AND WE'RE GONNA LEVERAGE TDOT'S RESOURCES TO DO THAT, TO MAKE DECISIONS.

WHAT WE HOPE IS THAT IF A PLAN IS DEVELOPED AND RECOMMENDATIONS ARE MADE, WE CAN LOOK AT WAYS TO INTEGRATE THINGS THAT WE FEEL ARE JUSTIFIED AND PRIORITIZED INTO THE STREETS THAT WE MANAGE INTO PEARL STREET, INTO THOSE INTERSECTION AND CONNECTIONS THAT WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR.

AND, AND WE WOULD BE FUNDING SOME TIME INTO THE BY AN ENGINEER, RIGHT? USUALLY CORRECT.

PROBABLY AN AGGIE ENGINEERING FIRMS WILL BE A PART OF THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

OH, DOES IT HAVE TO BE AN AGGIE ? OKAY.

SO I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THE MOTION IF WE'RE IS ANY, I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE FINAL STATEMENT.

I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

OUR JOB IS TO ASK QUESTIONS.

IT'S NOT TO GET SPANKED JUST BECAUSE WE ASK A QUESTION THAT'S UNCOMFORTABLE.

AND

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WELL, IF YOU THINK THAT WAS A SPANKING YOU NEVER HAVE NO, NO.

HOLD ON, HOLD ON.

NO, GO ON, GO ON WITH IT.

NO, I, I'LL SAY THIS.

IF Y'ALL GET OTHER QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, PLEASE REDIRECT IT.

HAVE FOLKS SEND EMAILS TO US SO WE CAN EVEN WORK WITH OUR TEXT TEAM ON THIS.

UM, BUT, BUT ALSO WORK WITH US.

LIKE, LIKE I KNOW YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT OTHER PICTURES OF THIS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE PICTURES ARE.

NO, NO.

THERE WON'T BE PICTURES UNTIL THEY NO, I MEAN, WE'VE, I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE LOOKED AT SOME THINGS AND DRAWINGS AND NO, NO.

THOSE WILL COME OUT THE PRO, THOSE WILL COME OUT OF THE PLANNING PROCESS IN, IN DECEMBER.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

THERE ARE, THERE WILL BE OUR TWO, TWO PARTS.

ONE, WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU IN THIS SLIDE IS EXAMPLES OF OTHER PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED LEVERAGING SIMILAR FUNDS, UHHUH, UM, OURS WILL OBVIOUSLY LOOK DIFFERENT.

UM, BUT AS WE PROGRESS IN DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAN AND DIFFERENT STAGES AND ENGAGEMENT, YOU'LL BE SEEING VISUALS, YOU'LL BE SEEING SPECIFIC OPTIONS THAT WE'RE VETTING.

YOU'LL BE SEEING THINGS THAT WE'VE CONSIDERED BUT THEN DISMISSED BECAUSE OF RIGHT.

ENGINEERING REASONS OR BECAUSE OF COMMUNITY PRIORITIZATION.

SO ANYTHING'S ON THE TABLE AT THIS POINT.

WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED THE PROCESS, BUT IF WE CAN ENGAGE WITH TX O VIA THIS MOU, WE'LL BEGIN.

NOW.

I DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE.

WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN THAT FAR IN THE DISCUSSION WITH TXDOT, BUT WE'LL BE DEVELOPING THOSE THINGS AND, AND INFORMING COUNSEL AND THE PUBLIC ALONG THE WAY.

AND SO I, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE IN DECEMBER I ASKED ABOUT THIS AND UM, AND I THINK YOU SAID YOU HAD BEEN LOOKING AT SOME POSSIBLE PICTURES AND THINGS.

NO, NO, NO.

ALL ALL WE HAVE, THAT'S WHAT YOU, WELL, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME CLARIFY.

WITH THE DOWNTOWN PLAN, AND THEN WE'RE MOVING TO THE NORTH STREET CORRIDOR.

ALL WE HAD DISCUSSED WITH TEXDOT IS IF WE, OF COURSE HE'S GOT SOME EXAMPLES OF OTHERS RIGHT AFTER WE EXECUTE AN MOU, AND IT'S GONNA TAKE, IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME, MONTHS, NOT WEEKS, NOT DAYS.

AFTER LOOKING AT DATA, AFTER PROBABLY EVEN SOME EARLY ROUNDS OF DISCUSSIONS, PROBABLY WITH THE PUBLIC THEN COMING BACK WITH SOME POTENTIAL OPTIONS THEY WILL HAVE TO TAKE, AGAIN, THINK OF IT THIS WAY.

THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE EXISTING VOLUMES.

THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DROP IN THE GROWTH AT SFA AND WHERE IT'S GOING TO OCCUR AND WHAT TYPE OF THINGS ARE GOING TO COME AT CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CAMPUS.

THEN THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT WHAT THOSE VOLUME IMPACTS WILL BE ON NORTH STREET.

AND THEN THEY WILL BE WORKING ON SOME POTENTIAL OPTIONS, IF ANY, IN THAT CROSS SECTION ON HOW YOU CAN HANDLE THAT.

WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND SAY, YOU NEED TO ADD THREE SIGNALS OR TAKE ALL THE SIGNALS OUT.

IF THEY'RE GONNA SAY YOU NEED TO WIPE OUT ALL THE PEDESTRIAN STUFF ON ONE SIDE AND PUT A BIG SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER.

OR IF THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND SAY, WIPE OUT A LANE ON EACH SIDE.

I COULDN'T TELL YOU.

THAT'S WHY I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.

UM, BUT THEY'RE GONNA GO THROUGH A PROCESS THAT'S GONNA INVOLVE THE DATA DRIVING THE, THE OPTIONS, AND THEY'RE THEN THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA COME BACK.

TYPICALLY HAVING WORKED ON CORRIDOR STUDIES WITH OP BEFORE, WITH MORE THAN ONE OPTION, IF THERE IS MORE THAN ONE OPTION, OR THEY'LL COME BACK IN SOME CASES AND THEY'LL SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN DO THIS OR YOU CAN LEAVE IT ALONE BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ROOM TO DO THIS OR THAT.

AND THEN WHAT SAY YOU, THAT'S JUST KIND OF HOW THESE PROCESSES FLOW.

THERE'S, BUT, BUT NO ONE HAS DEVELOPED ANY SECTIONS YET.

WE'RE JUST IN THE PAPERWORK STAGE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION YOU HAVE BECAUSE WHAT WE WANT TO DO, ESPECIALLY AS WE BRING THESE TO YOU, EVEN IN THIS EARLY OF A STAGE, WE WANNA ADDRESS PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE WANT TO ADDRESS ANY PERCEPTIONS ABOUT WHAT THIS IS OR ISN'T.

'CAUSE IT'S NOT MUCH OF ANYTHING AT THIS POINT, BUT WHAT IT, WHEN IT BEGINS TO DEVELOP, IT'S GONNA BE MULTIFACETED.

IT'S GONNA HAVE A LOT OF ELEMENTS TO IT.

AND WE CAN KIND OF GET LOST IN THAT IF WE'RE NOT CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING.

SO WE'LL TRY TO BE TRANSPARENT ALONG THE WAY.

WE WILL BE TRANSPARENT ALONG THE WAY AND THERE'LL BE A LOT OF THINGS FOR COUNCIL TO DISCUSS.

BECAUSE IF WE CAN DEVELOP A PLAN THAT, THAT THIS COUNCIL AND THE CITY'S HAPPY WITH AND TDOT'S BRINGING IT FORWARD, THERE ARE FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE STATE FUNDING TO SUPPORT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.

OTHER INTEGRATIONS TO THE STREETS AND THE, AND THE CORRIDORS ARTERIALS AND COLLECTORS THAT WE MANAGE.

AND THEN THAT BEGINS TO GROW OUT INTO THE OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY THAT WE REALLY WANT IT TO BE.

BUT THE CORE IS NORTH STREET RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE ALL OF OUR TRAFFIC IS.

YEAH.

THAT'S WHERE SFA IS FRONTING.

IT'S WHERE DOWNTOWN IS FRONTING.

HOW DO WE CONNECT THOSE TWO GATEWAYS? HOW DO WE CONNECT THE GATEWAYS AND BRING THAT IN FROM THE OUTSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND MAKE IT WORK? AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS WE STARTED

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AND THIS IS ALSO FOR THE, THE BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN ADVOCATES AND THOSE OUT THERE.

MOST OF OUR FACILITIES ARE TDOT ALMOST UNIVERSALLY.

YOU CANNOT JUSTIFY THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE ON SOMETHING IN THE HINTERLANDS THAT DOESN'T HAVE HIGH DENSITY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DENSITY OF JOBS DOWNTOWN AND ACTIVITIES, AND THEN WE'RE NOW MOVING TO NORTH STREET.

THOSE AREAS ARE YOUR LOWEST HANGING FRUIT.

IF YOU CAN'T DO IT THERE, YOU CAN'T DO IT OTHER PLACES MAKE THAT REAL CLEAR.

YOU CAN'T, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS TODAY, YOU CAN'T JUST RUN A SIDEWALK IN ONE OF YOUR MOST SUBURBAN PARTS OF TOWN IN ANY TOWN WITHOUT HAVING TRIP GENERATORS IN PROXIMITY ALL ALONG THAT.

IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN TRANSIT.

AND SO WE LOGICALLY MOVED FROM DOWNTOWN, WRAPPED UP THAT PLAN ARE WORKING ON PHASES OF THAT PLAN FOR IMPLEMENTATION.

RIGHT NOW, Y'ALL ARE AWARE OF SOME OF THOSE, INCLUDING THE GARAGE AND THEN NOW MOVING TO, TO THE NORTH STREET CORRIDOR WITH THE GOAL BEING IF WE CAN IDENTIFY SOME GOOD CAPITAL PROJECTS, GET THEM IN LINE FOR FUNDING.

SO I, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND I'LL BE BRIEF.

UH, FIRST QUESTION TO BRING US BACK, WE'VE HAD ABOUT 30 ISH MINUTES OF DISCUSSION THIS MOU DEALS WITH A GRANT THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN AWARDED.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

AND I'LL CLARIFY THAT WITH THIS.

MOU ESTABLISHES THAT TXDOT ESSENTIALLY CAPTURES THAT MONEY.

WE DON'T SEE IT, WE DON'T USE IT.

IT'S THEIR MONEY.

WE ARE PART OF THEIR PROJECT.

BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE PREVIOUSLY AWARDED.

CORRECT.

WE WERE JUST GIVING THEM CONTROL OVER IT.

CORRECT.

THE PART THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO PAY FOR OUT OF LOCAL FUNDS IS NOW GOING TO BE COVERED BY TXDOT.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

OR THE CREDITS THAT WE'RE ELIGIBLE FOR, OR THE CREDITS THAT WERE ELIGIBLE FOR MM-HMM .

THEY WILL HANDLE THAT.

AND THIS STARTS THE PLANNING PROCESS FOR US TO SEE WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE AS IT RELATES TO TRANSPORTATION ALONG THE NORTH STREET CORRIDOR BOUNDED BY PILLAR AND AUSTIN.

SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD IN THAT WE COULD HAVE ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETING.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.

I THINK I WAS TALKING, OH, I'M SO SORRY.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU GO AHEAD.

B, RECEIVE A PRESENTATION OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FUNDING.

I THINK YOU ALL FOR, FOR THE WORK YOU'VE PUT IN AND, UH, FOR THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE EXPLAINED TO US TONIGHT, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHOLE LOT OF EDUCATION TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'VE SAID.

IT WAS PRETTY MUCH STRAIGHTFORWARD.

UH, WE ARE WHERE WE ARE BECAUSE OF NOT DOING ANYTHING THUS FAR.

AND IF WE KEEP DOING THE SAME THING WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE GONNA KEEP ON WHAT, GETTING THE SAME THING.

AND SO WITH ALL THESE QUESTIONS THAT I'VE HEARD ASKED WITH ALL OF THIS, WHAT I CALL FILIBUSTERING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON, IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S A WASTE OF TIME WHEN YOU SIT DOWN AND THINK ABOUT WHAT WE COULD'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WE GOT TO THIS MEETING.

SO WITH FROM NOW ON, LET'S TRY AND GET THESE THINGS OUT BEFORE WE GET HERE SO THAT WE DON'T HOLD UP THE, THE MEETINGS IN SUCH A WAY.

I APPRECIATE YOU.

WE NEED A MOTION EVERYBODY'S THROUGH.

MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MOU IS PRESENTED.

SECOND, HAVE A MOTION.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

THANK YOU, MIKE.

NEXT ITEM SEVEN

[7.B. Receive a presentation on Capital Improvement Program funding. (Interim Finance Director)]

TODD, THANK MAYOR COUNCIL.

TODD SEMINO, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF FINANCE.

GOOD LUCK.

SO TONIGHT I WAS ASKED TO, UH, TALK ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND BASICALLY HOW IT'S FUNDED.

WE DIDN'T REALLY PLAN ON GETTING INTO, UM, PROJECT SPECIFIC DETAILS OR STATUS BECAUSE WE PLAN ON HAVING ANOTHER WORKSHOP ON THE, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM ON MAY 12TH.

UM, SO LET ME FIRST JUST START OUT MAYBE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE VIEWING PUBLIC.

A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IS BASICALLY A FIVE

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YEAR FORWARD LOOKING PLAN ON HOW THE CITY CAN MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE ITS IN INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO THAT FOCUSES ON REAL PROPERTIES SUCH AS LAND, STREETS, BUILDINGS, LANDFILLS, PARKS, DRAINAGE SYSTEMS, WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS. WHAT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM DOESN'T FOCUS ON ARE PERSONAL PROPERTY CAPITAL ITEMS SUCH AS POLICE VEHICLES, FIRE ENGINES, WORKING VEHICLES, DUMP TRUCKS, BULLDOZER BULLDOZERS, AND OTHER MACHINERY EQUIPMENT.

THOSE, THOSE ITEMS ARE FUNDED ELSEWHERE IN THE BUDGET.

SO THIS SLIDE HERE BASICALLY TALKS ABOUT THE DIFFERENT FUNDS THAT THE CITY USES TO SUPPORT ITS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.

SO THAT'S JUST A SUMMARY OF THE FUNDS AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT WERE ALLOCATED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET.

SO I'LL WALK OVER EACH ONE OF THOSE FUNDS AND HOW, UM, HOW THE, THE PROGRAMS IN EACH FUND IS FUNDED.

FIRST IS A GENERAL FUND.

YOU CAN SEE FOR FY 26, THE COUNCIL HAD ALREADY APPROVED OVER A MILLION DOLLARS OF, OF PROJECTS IN THE GENERAL FUND.

ANY, ANY CIP PROJECT THAT'S IN THE GENERAL FUND IS BASICALLY FUNDED THROUGH THE RESERVES OF THAT FUND, WHICH ARE DERIVED FROM PROPERTY TAXES, SALES TAXES, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, GENERAL REVENUES OF THAT FUND.

THE BOND FUND, AS Y'ALL KNOW, THE VOTERS APPROVED, UM, THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND OF, UM, OVER $40 MILLION IN 2023.

AND SO WE SET UP BOND FUNDS FOR EACH OF THOSE PROPOSITIONS.

I THINK THERE WERE SEVEN DIFFERENT PROPOSITIONS.

THE NEXT SLIDE BASICALLY HAS A GOOD BREAKOUT OF THOSE SEVEN DIFFERENT PROPOSITIONS.

SO YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THIS IS BASICALLY FUNDED THROUGH A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE.

AND ALL OF THAT IS, UM, FUNDED THROUGH THE DEBT SERVICE FUND FOR THE PAYMENT OF THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST RELATED TO THE FUNDS THAT WE BORROWED FOR EACH OF THESE PROPOSITIONS.

AND YOU CAN SEE TRANCHE ONE AND TRANCHE TWO WERE ALREADY ISSUED.

WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED THOSE FUNDS.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE EFFECT THAT IT HAD ON THE INTEREST IN SINKING PROPERTY TAX RATE, WHICH IS THE DEBT SERVICE RATE.

UM, IT ADDED 4.60 CENTS IN 2024 AND THEN 2.60 CENTS IN 2025.

THE REASON WHY THE, THE RATE DECREASED IN THE SECOND TRANCHE WAS BECAUSE INTEREST RATES DECREASED, UM, AND WE BORROWED A, A LOWER AMOUNT OF, UH, PRINCIPLE AND THEN ALSO THE ASSESSED VALUES FROM THE CAD CAME IN HIGHER.

WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE A BETTER IDEA IN THE MAY MEETING ON WHEN WE WILL NEED TO ISSUE THE BALANCE THAT YOU CAN SEE THE $14.7 MILLION.

HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA COME IN ONE TRAUNCH OR TWO SEPARATE TRANCHES.

AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE IT'S HARDER TO SPEND THAT AIRPORT MONEY.

YOU CAN SEE WE GOT OVER $5.2 MILLION OF AIRPORT MONEY THAT WE STILL NEED TO ISSUE, AND I KNOW THE COUNCIL TIED THAT TO, UH, MATCHES ALSO FOR GRANTS.

SO WE'LL TRY TO HAVE SOME MORE CLARITY ON HOW MUCH MONEY WE'LL NEED FROM THE BALANCE AND WHEN THOSE ISSUES WILL OCCUR.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE FOR YOU JUST YET.

THE AIRPORT CONSTRUCTION FUND, UM, IS ANOTHER FUND THAT SUPPORTS OUR CIP OUR PROGRAM.

YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ONLY A SMALL AMOUNT BUDGETED IN 2026, AND THAT'S BASICALLY A MATCHING GRANT.

YOU CAN SEE THE TYPE OF, UM, PROJECT TYPES THAT ARE FUNDED THROUGH THAT FUND AS WELL.

AND ONE THING TO THROW OUT ON THIS ONE IS WE ARE IN SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, ON THE FOUNDATION SIDE ON POTENTIAL MATCH OF QUOTE UNQUOTE GRANTS, UH, FOR SOME ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING A PARKING APRON.

SO LOOKING AT THE TIMING, WE WOULD LOOK AT THE TIMING OF THAT POTENTIALLY.

I BELIEVE Y'ALL ARE IN DESIGN, SOME THEORETICAL DESIGN, UH, COLIN AND MIKE AND CASE SHOP.

SO WE WOULD AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY GRACE OVER IF WE WENT TO, UH, UH, ANOTHER SALE OF, UH, BONDS OR I MEAN OF THE NEXT TRANCHE REALLY TO ACTIVATE THEM BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE WINDOW LIMITED WINDOW IN TERMS OF USE IT OR LOSE IT.

AND WE ALSO ARE TRYING TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE TOTAL PROPERTY TAX RATE, EVEN WITH THE VOTER AUTHORIZED, UM, APPROVAL OF, OF THE 43 MILLION, WHEN THAT GETS TRIGGERED AND HOW THAT FACTORS INTO THE BIG PICTURE.

VOTERS APPROVED 40, ALMOST $44 MILLION.

AND GOING BACK ON, ON THE, UH, ON THAT, SINCE HE JUST MENTIONED IT, OBVIOUSLY THE

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THE REASON WHY WE DO THIS IN TRANCHES IS BECAUSE IF YOU ISSUED THE WHOLE $43 MILLION AT ONCE, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A 15 CENT APPROXIMATE INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE.

AND WHO WANTS A 15 CENT INCREASE IN ONE YEAR? NOBODY ALSO, WE, WE, WE HAVE BASICALLY THREE YEARS TO TRY TO SPEND THE MAJORITY OF THIS MONEY BEFORE WE GET INTO AN ARBITRAGE SITUATION WITH THE IRS.

SO WE WANT MAKE SURE WE'RE PRUDENT WITH THE TAX RATE AND THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SPEND THIS MONEY TIMELY SO WE DON'T GET INTO ARBITRAGE ISSUES WITH THE I RS.

SO THAT'S WHY WE BREAK UP THE TRANCHES INSTEAD OF DOING AN ISSUE ALL AT ONCE.

OKAY, THE HOTEL TAX FUND, UM, THERE'S $250,000 BUDGETED IN FY 2026 AND, UM, BASICALLY THAT'S BEING FUNDED THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE HOT TAX.

UM, JUST A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.

SO AS Y'ALL KNOW, MAY KNOW, SO THE HOTEL MOTEL TAXES THAT THE CITY RECEIVES, WE GIVE 72.5% OF THAT TO THE CVB FOR THEIR OPERATIONS.

AND THEN WE ALSO GIVE $95,000 TO THE COUNTY FOR THE COUNTY EXPO TO HELP SUPPORT THEIR TOURISM THROUGH, THROUGH THAT FACILITY.

AND THEN THE REST THAT'S LEFT OVER IS KEPT BY THE CITY IN RESERVES FOR, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAMS OR HEADS AND BEDS USE OF THE HOT TAX MONEY.

THE SPECIAL GRANT FUND AS IT IMPLIES, UM, WHEN WE GET GRANTS OR DONATIONS FOR PARTICULAR PROJECTS, THEY GO INTO THIS, THIS FUND HERE.

SO, UM, NONE OF THAT'S FUNDED THROUGH RESERVES, UH, OR REVENUES OF THE CITY OR PROPERTY TAXES.

IT'S BASICALLY ALL, JUST AS IT SAYS THERE, IT'S FUNDED BY GRANTS OR UH, DONATIONS.

THE STREET MAINTENANCE FUND, AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS AN ORDINANCE ON STREET, UH, USER FEES, SO THAT'S WHERE WE GET THAT MONEY FROM.

YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NO MONEY ALLOCATED IN 2026, AND THE REASON IS WE GET ABOUT $750,000 A YEAR ON, ON THIS STREET MAINTENANCE FUND, BUT NOTHING WAS BASICALLY BUDGETED IN 2026 BECAUSE WE HAVE $10 MILLION OF BOND PROCEEDS THAT WE'RE USING TO SPEND ON OUR STREETS.

SO WE'RE BANKING THAT MONEY, UM, CURRENTLY, BUT IT WILL BE USED FOR THE INTENDED PURPOSE OF THAT ORDINANCE.

THE UTILITY FUND, AS Y'ALL KNOW, THIS IS THE WATER AND SEWER, AND AS Y'ALL ALSO KNOW, WE UM, FINALLY COMPLETED A VERY LENGTHY RATE STUDY AND IT INCLUDED THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN.

AS Y'ALL KNOW, THE WATER AND SEWER HAS A FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN OF OVER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.

AND SO WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND THAT AND IT'S BASICALLY FUNDED 60 40, 60% THROUGH REVENUE BONDS.

SO ONLY THE USERS OF THE SYSTEM WILL PAY, UM, BASICALLY THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST ON THE 30 MILLION OF THOSE REVENUE BONDS.

AND THEN THE OTHER 40%, THANKFULLY THE CITY WAS PRUDENT ENOUGH IN THE PAST AND CURRENT TO SET MONEY ASIDE EACH YEAR FOR THIS TYPE OF PURPOSE.

SO AGAIN, 60% OF THIS IS FUNDED THROUGH REVENUE BONDS, 40% IS THROUGH CASH RESERVES, UM, SAVINGS OF THE SYSTEM.

WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY ISSUED ONE TRANCHE IN JULY OF 2025 FOR $30 MILLION AND MAYBE, UM, WHEN WE COME TO Y'ALL IN MAY, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHEN WE NEED TO ISSUE THAT SECOND TRANCHE OF THE SECOND $30 MILLION.

THE SANITATION FUND, THAT'S THE LANDFILL GARBAGE.

UM, WE ALSO DID A RATE STUDY FOR, FOR THAT SERVICE ALSO AND IMPLEMENTED RATE INCREASES TO SUPPORT THAT BASICALLY JUST THROUGH USER FEES OF THAT FUND.

THAT WHOLE $6.6 MILLION IS PRETTY MUCH ALL, PRETTY MUCH ALL LANDFILL.

MAYBE SOME, UM, OTHER SMALL PROJECTS ON THE SIDE.

AND AGAIN, WE CAN GET INTO THE DETAILS AND STATUSES OF ALL OF THESE WHEN WE HAVE OUR MEETING IN MAY.

AND OTHER THAN THAT, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS STAFF'S HERE IF YOU GOT QUESTIONS I CAN'T ANSWER.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

MAY, BUT I, BUT I WILL SAY THIS, UH, NOT THAT YOU'RE, I WOULDN'T APPROACH THAT YOU'RE NECESSARILY THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I THINK THIS IS REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL.

UM, PARTICULARLY AS WE GO INTO LOOKING AGAIN AT THE, UM, AT THE BUDGETS AND, AND ALSO AS WE THINK ABOUT CONSIDERING IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH THINGS ARE ALREADY LOCKED IN, WHICH THINGS MIGHT WE RECONSIDER? UM, I THINK SOME OF THESE CAME SOME OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, UH, SPECIFIC CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'RE GONNA GO OVER IN, IN MAY, CORRECT.

UH, SOME OF THEM CAME FROM, UM, THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL THAT MANY OF US WERE NOT ON.

SO THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT I'LL BE INTERESTED IN

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THE I HAVE SEEN AND ALSO HAVING COME IN AS THE CLEANUP GUY, UH, LIKE THREE TIMES DIFFERENT PLACES, UH, YOU'LL HAVE PROJECTS THAT WERE SET BY PRIOR COUNCILS, UH, THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY BE A GREAT PROJECT, THEY MAY BE A MEDIOCRE PROJECT, BUT EVEN ON SOME THAT HAVE, LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY IT'S A 51% BENEFIT RATHER THAN A 90% BENEFIT, UH, YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT ALSO YOU'VE HAD MAYBE SUNK COST IN THERE AND NOW THERE SOMETIMES YOU RUN ACROSS A, A PROJECT THAT IS TRULY NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T JUSTIFY IT.

I DON'T THINK ANYTHING THAT STAFF IS WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, I THINK FROM THE ENGINEERING SIDE WOULD SAY ANYTHING THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON ACTIVELY WAS JUST A BAD IDEA.

WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? MM-HMM .

AND I THINK WE WOULD BE RAISING THE RED FLAG RIGHT NOW IF WE HAD ANY PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD SAY, LOOK, THIS HAS ZERO BENEFIT.

WE DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE WORKING ON THIS.

YOU WILL HEAR THAT FROM US AT SOME POINT.

UM, IF WE RUN ACROSS SOMETHING OR IF WE WERE IN DESIGN AND SAID, THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, WE'D BE THE FIRST ONES TO RAISE THAT FLAG.

SO, SO, SO IN DECEMBER WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR FINANCIAL NEEDS AND WHAT MIGHT PLAY OUT.

WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO SOME OF THOSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE MY QUESTION IS COMING FROM.

IF YOU KNOW, IF WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THE FUNDS FOR SOME OF THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH ONES, WHAT WILL HAPPEN? SO I'M SURE YOU'LL, YEAH, LIKE, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A FIVE YEAR PROGRAM, BUT WE DO HAVE A COLUMN AT THE END OF FIVE YEARS FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION PROJECTS.

IT WAS LIKE A 10 YEAR AND EVERYTHING IN THAT COLUMN IS BASICALLY PROJECTS WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING IDENTIFIED FOR YET.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO, AND, AND I'LL ADD TO TO TODD'S EXPLANATION.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE GENERAL FUND, UM, ONE OF THE NOTES WE MADE HERE WAS 70%, 77% OF TOTAL COST ALL YEARS PROJECTS.

WE'VE IDENTIFIED PREVIOUS PROJECTS, UM, THAT HAVE, UM, BASICALLY BEEN SOURCED WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND.

MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE BEEN PUSHED OUT TO FUTURE YEARS BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY CONSTRAINTS ON THE GENERAL FUND.

WE LISTED DRAINAGE HERE BECAUSE WE'VE WANTED TO SET ASIDE A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DRAINAGE NEEDS.

WHAT WE'VE ENDED UP DOING JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS IS PIVOTING TO SEEKING THOSE FEDERAL AND STATE GRANT FUNDS.

THERE'S SO MANY OF THEM TO TRY AND MAKE UP THAT GROUND.

AND, UM, THE, THE OTHER NOTE YOU'LL SEE HERE UNDER THE SPECIAL GRANT FUND IS WE HAVE AT LEAST THOSE FOUR COMMUNITY PROJECT FUNDING THAT'S A FEDERAL GRANT, TEXAS CDBG, TEXAS GENERAL LAND OFFICE, THREE DIFFERENT GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.

ALL THREE OF THOSE ARE FOCUSED ON DRAINAGE SO THAT WE CAN REDUCE THE BURDEN, ANY POTENTIAL BURDEN WE MIGHT PUT ON THE GENERAL FUND FOR DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT.

SO IN A WAY THAT THERE'S A LOT OF FLUIDITY WITHIN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.

EVERY YEAR WE APPROVE A NEW LIST OF PROJECTS AND WE ASSIGN DOLLAR AMOUNTS TO THOSE, BUT MANY OF THOSE ARE ESTIMATES AND THAT CAN CHANGE DEPENDING ON THINGS WE SEE ON THE GROUND, HOW PROJECTS EVOLVE OVER TIME.

AND THEN DIFFERENT COUNCILS MAY CHANGE THEIR PRIORITIES AND, AND ADJUST THOSE LIST OF PROJECTS FROM TIME TO TIME.

SO IT'S VERY FLUID.

UM, WE TRY TO KEEP IT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THESE INDIVIDUAL FUNDS HERE.

UM, AND, AND TYPICALLY THESE CONVERSATIONS NARROW DOWN OVER THE, THE WEEKS AND MONTHS AS COUNCIL BEGINS TO FOCUS ON THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE DON'T NEED A THANK YOU TODD.

WE DON'T, DON'T NEED A MOTION FOR THIS.

ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.087 AND 5 5 1 0.071.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR REGULAR MEETING.

UM, WE WILL NOW

[8. EXECUTIVE SESSION: Executive Sessions are for City Council to receive information and deliberate on matters specified in Subchapter D of the Texas Open Meetings Act. Council may reconvene in open session to vote on the matter. ]

WE WILL ADJOURN AND BE BACK SHORTLY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK.

WE'RE RETURNING, UH, FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 8 0 5 PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.087 AND 5 5 1 0.071.

NO ACTION TAKEN.

THIS CONCLUDES OUR MEETING.

GOD BLESS, BLESS THE GREAT CITY OF ADOS, TEXAS.