Apr 21, 2026 City Council

THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL DISCUSSION, IF ANY.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, AND I WILL OPEN THE, UH, UH, PUBLIC HEARING TO ANY COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE.

THERE BEING NONE.

I'LL CLOSE

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I'LL MAKE THE MOTION IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS THAT WE, UM, APPROVE THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY AS OUTLINED IN ITEM SIX.

A SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

AYE.

B IS ALSO A PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU, JESSICA.

ITEM SIX

[6.B. Public Hearing: Discuss and consider action on Specific Use Permit Case SUP2026- 03 regarding a Specific Use Permit request for a Utility Facility (Major) in a R-2, Single Family district on one (1) parcel of land approximately 2.91 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Nacogdoches Central Appraisal District Parcel 25733; and generally located on the south side of SE Stallings Drive approximately 200 feet west of Lovaire Drive, Nacogdoches, Texas. (City Planner)]

DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT CASE, SUP 2026 DASH OH THREE REGARDING A SPECIFIC USE PERMITS PERMIT REQUEST FOR UTILITY FACILITY MAJOR IN AN R TWO SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 2.9 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY NACODOCHES CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT PARCEL 2 5 7 3 3.

AND GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SOUTHEAST STALLINGS DRIVE, APPROXIMATELY 200 FEET WEST OF LAVER DRIVE, NACODOCHES, TEXAS.

MR. PAULETTE, GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.

JUAN PAULETTE, CITY PLANNER.

SO THIS PROX, THIS PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 2.91 ACRES AND IS LOCATED ALONG SOUTHEAST STALLINGS DRIVE.

THE SITE IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH AN EXISTING ENCORE SUBSTATION AND IS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL HOMES TO THE EAST AND INDUSTRIAL TYPE USES TO THE WEST.

THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS UNDEVELOPED AND IS WHERE THE PROPOSED EXPANSION WILL OCCUR.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THE SURROUNDING AREAS CONSIST OF RESIDENTIAL ZONING TO THE EAST AND INDUSTRIAL ZONING TO THE WEST, AND ADDITIONAL UNDEVELOPED LAND TO THE SOUTH.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED INDUSTRIAL ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

THIS DESIGNATION EXTENDS ALONG THE CORRIDOR TO THE WEST, WHILE AREAS TO THE EAST ARE DESIGNATED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THE PROPOSED EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING SUBSTATION CONSISTENT WITH IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING, UH, INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE SUBSTATION.

THE EXPANSION IS LOCATED TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND INCLUDES ADDITIONAL ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT AND ASSOCIATED INFRASTRUCTURES.

ACCESS TO THE SITE WILL REMAIN FROM STALLINGS DRIVE AND NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO ACCESS OR CIRCULATION ARE PROPOSED.

ALSO SHOWN HERE IS A PROPOSED EIGHT FOOT MASONRY SCREENING WALL ALONG THE SITE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES INTENDED TO HELP MITIGATE VISUAL AND NOISE IMPACTS.

IN ADDITION, EXISTING VE VEGETATION ALONG THE PROPERTY LINES WILL BE PRESERVED AND WHERE IT DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ENTRANCE FROM THE LOOP AND SOME ADJACENT INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES TO THE WEST AND ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE EAST.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION AREA.

PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET WERE MAILED NOTICE LETTERS, WHILE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 AND 500 FEET WERE MAILED.

UH, COURTESY NOTICE POSTCARDS, A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS ALSO HELD IN SIX RESIDENTS ATTENDED THE MEETING AND EXPRESSED CONCERNS.

THE CONCERNS WERE PRIMARILY RELATED TO NOISE FROM EXISTING AND PROPOSED TRANSFORMERS, THE PROXIMITY OF NEW EQUIPMENT TO NEARBY HOMES, PERCEIVED HEALTH IMPACTS RELATED TO ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS, AND POTENTIAL ACCESS THROUGH RE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND NIGHTTIME MAINTENANCE ACTIVITY IMPACTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE REQUEST BASED ON THESE CRITERIA AND WITH INPUT FROM PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE DEVELOPED RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS TO ACCESS CONCERNS.

RAISED AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY SCREENING WALL ALONG THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE, AS WELL AS PRESERVATION OF EXISTING VEGETATION THAT DOES NOT OVERHANG INTO THE SUB SUBSTATION OR ENCROACHED WITHIN 15 FEET OF THE SECURITY FENCE TO MAINTAIN A NATURAL BUFFER.

ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS INCLUDE MINIMIZING NOISE AND LIGHT DURING MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES, AND RESTRICTING ACCESS TO THE SITE FROM STALLINGS DRIVE ONLY.

THESE CONDITIONS ARE INTENDED TO REDUCE POTENTIAL IMPACTS AND MAINTAIN, UH, COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, COMMISSION HEARD THIS ITEM ON APRIL 13TH AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

AND THE ONCORE REPRESENTATIVE ASHTON MILLER WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

MY NAME'S ASHA MILLER.

I AM A PROJECT MANAGER

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WITH ENCORE, UH, LOCATED AT 7 7 7 MAIN STREET IN FORT WORTH, TEXAS.

I APPRECIATE Y'ALL, UM, HEARING OUR, UH, REQUEST TO, UM, APPROVE THE, UH, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

UH, JUST TO GO A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, HIGH LEVEL, UM, INFORMATION REGARDING, YOU KNOW, WHY WE'RE HERE AND WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING.

UM, SO TO GO OVER THE PROPERTY, UM, ENCORE HAS OWNED THE PROPERTY AND, UM, OPERATED THIS, UH, SUBSTATION SINCE 1969.

UM, OUR REQUEST IS TO REPLACE THE TWO EXISTING TRANSFORMERS AND ALSO ADD TWO ADDITIONAL TRANSFORMERS ONTO THE PROPERTY.

SO WE'VE GOT OUR, UH, EXISTING, UH, SUBSTATION SITE.

UH, IT'S JUST UNDER HALF OF AN ACRE.

UM, AGAIN, IT WENT IN SERVICE 1969.

IT'S A TWO TRANSFORMER SUBSTATION, HAS A SINGLE, UM, POINT OF, UH, ACCESS TODAY.

UM, AND IT IS SURROUNDED, UM, AND SECURED BY A CHAIN LINK FENCE.

SO WE'VE GOT OUR, UM, OUR NEW PLAN HERE.

UH, WE'RE GONNA BE BACKING OUT THE, UH, THE NEW EQUIPMENT, UM, FURTHER AWAY FROM THE LOOP, UH, JUST OFF OF THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT MORE.

UM, IT DOES, UH, UH, JUST ABOUT DOUBLE, UH, IT DOES DOUBLE THE SIZE OF, UH, THE, THE SUBSTATION.

UH, WE ARE PROPOSING TO, UM, CONSTRUCT AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY SCREENING WALL, UM, ALONG THE, UH, THE EAST SIDE, UM, TO BETTER SCREEN, UH, THE SUBSTATION EQUIPMENT, UM, UH, FROM THE RESIDENCE THAT BACK UP TO THE SUBSTATION.

UH, SO JUST TO KIND OF, UH, PAINT THE PICTURE OF, OF WHERE WE ARE, UM, LOCATED TO THE OTHER, UM, ENCORE, UH, STATIONS IN THE AREA OR JUST LOCATED, UH, JUST SOUTH.

UM, AND IT SERVES, UH, WHICH I'VE GOT A COUPLE SLIDES THAT SHOWED JUST THE DISTRIBUTION NETWORK, UM, THAT SHOWS HOW IT SERVES THE BUSINESSES, UM, AND, AND RESIDENTS WITHIN THE AREA.

UH, SO HERE, UH, JUST KIND OF A PINPOINT, UM, THAT THIS SUBSTATION DOES SERVE.

THESE ARE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CUSTOMERS AND RESIDENTS, UM, THAT ARE UTILIZE AND DEPEND ON THE SUBSTATION.

UH, AND THERE'S THE DISTRIBUTION NETWORKS OF THE, THE WOOD, UM, POLES AND JUST HOW THAT, UH, CONNECTS INTO THAT STATION.

SO IT SERVES, UH, THE SOUTHERN PART OF AN NADOS.

AND THEN, UM, UH, FURTHER EAST INTO, UH, THE COUNTY.

UH, SO WE, UM, HAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.

UH, WE HEARD SOME CONCERNS FROM THE RESIDENTS JUST ON HOW CLOSE THE EXISTING TRANSFORMERS WERE, UM, TO, TO THEIR BACK PROPERTY FENCE, UM, AND WHERE THE, UH, CHAIN LINK FENCE WAS LOCATED.

SO, UM, THE, UH, EXISTING TRANSFORMERS ABOUT, OR JUST OVER 47 FEET AWAY FROM THEIR BACK PROPERTY LINE.

UM, AND THEN THE FENCE IS, UH, UH, JUST OVER 34 FEET AWAY.

UM, AND SO WITH THIS, UH, UH, PROPOSED EXPANSION OF THIS STATION, UM, IT DOES INCREASE THE DISTANCES, UH, OF THE NEW TRANSFORMERS.

UM, AND THE, THE FENCING, THE MASONRY WALL, UH, FROM THEIR BACK PROPERTY FENCE.

SO THE CLOSEST TRANSFORMER, UM, WILL BE OVER 62 FEET AWAY, UM, FROM, FROM THEIR BACK PROPERTY LINE.

AND THEN THE, UH, THE NEW MASONRY WALL WILL BE, UH, UH, OVER 40 FEET AWAY.

SO A LITTLE BIT OF A IMPROVEMENT THERE, ADDITIONAL BUFFER TO BACK IT AWAY, UM, FROM THOSE PROPERTY LINES.

AND HERE'S A COUPLE OF PICTURES, UM, OF, UH, MASONRY WALLS THAT WE'VE CONSTRUCTED AT, AT OTHER STATIONS.

AND, UM, AS REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH, WITH THIS NEW STATION.

UH, SO JUST TO GO OVER BENEFITS OF, OF, UH, REPLACING THIS STATION, UM, IMPROVED ELECTRICAL SERVICES.

SO OVER, UH, TWO, UH, 2000 RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES RELY ON THIS STATION TODAY, UH, TO KEEP THEIR BUSINESSES OPERATING AND, AND, UH, POWER ON AT THOSE HOMES.

UM, SO IT'S VERY CRITICAL TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IMPROVING THE STATION SO THAT WE CAN, UH, CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SAFE, RELIABLE ELECTRICITY FOR THOSE CUSTOMERS.

AND, AND, UH, AND, UH, UM, HOMES.

UM, THE EQUIPMENT HAS REACHED END OF LIFE, UM, WHICH LIKE ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, UM, REQUIRES REPLACEMENT OVER TIME.

UM, SO THAT'S, UM, WITH, UH, OLDER EQUIPMENT, IT DOES INCREASE THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THERE'S, UM, THAT THAT'S, THAT EQUIPMENT COULD, UH, FAIL.

UM, AND THEN, UH, JUST TO GO OVER SOME OF THE FIRE RISK, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THIS NEW, NEW TRANSFORMERS, NEW EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE PLACING, IT DOES DECREASE THE, THE RISK FOR ANY TYPE OF FIRE, UH, TO OCCUR WITH THIS EQUIPMENT, UM, REDUCE NOISE.

UM, SO WITH THE NEW TRANSFORMERS, WE HAVE FOUND THAT, UH, THEY'RE CONSIDERABLY QUIETER, UM, THAN A LOT OF THE OLD ONES, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, ONES THAT DATE BACK TO THE 1960S

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SEVENTIES ERA.

UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UM, UH, IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE PUTTING.

SO, UH, WE CAN EXPECT A REDUCE, UH, AMOUNT OF NOISE, UM, REDUCED ELECTRICAL FIELD.

UM, THE ELECTRIC FIELD STRENGTHEN ELECTRIC FIELD STRENGTH IS TYPICALLY, UM, BELOW BACKGROUND LEVELS OUTSIDE OF THE STATION FENCING.

SO REALLY WHEN, UM, IF YOU'RE STANDING AT THE STATION FENCE, YOU REALLY WON'T PICK UP ANY TYPE OF EMF RATINGS WHENEVER YOU'RE INSIDE OF A STATION.

UM, OF COURSE, YOU WOULD PICK UP SOME, UM, AND THEN INCREASED, UH, VISUAL SHIELDING WITH THAT EIGHT FOOT MASONRY SCREENING WALL, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S THERE TODAY IS THE, THE, UH, CHAIN LINK FENCE.

UH, SO WITH THAT, MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

WE MIGHT HAVE SOME, WE NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST.

SURE, ABSOLUTELY.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, AND WE WILL NOW OPEN THE HEARING TO ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE IF THEY HAVE SOMEONE, SOMETHING TO SAY THERE BEING NONE.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL DISCUSSION.

HAVE QUESTION.

UM, SO ARE YOU REPLACING THE 1969 EQUIPMENT ALSO? I MEAN, ARE YOU BUILDING A WHOLE NEW THING? YES, SIR.

YES, SIR.

SO YOU'LL HAVE TO TAKE OUT ALL THE OLD STUFF AND ALL THAT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, AND THEY SAW, TALK ABOUT THAT.

IT'S EASIEST TO PLACE IT BY THOSE KIND OF, UH, ENERGY STATIONS.

IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? UH, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE HOMES THAT ARE THERE, UH, ALONG LAVER STREET, AND THEN THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I SEE THE PRACTICALITY OF THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

UM, YOU KNOW, VERY SLIM THAT ANYTHING, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD CONNECT INTO THIS SUBSTATION? NO.

IF YOU GO BACK, UH, ARE YOU THROUGH BRAD? YEAH.

IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT, THAT, UH, CHART ON ALL THE SUBSTATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN? YES, SIR.

YOU WANNA REPLACE 'EM ALL? DO I WANT, UH, THIS IS THE ONLY ONE I KNOW OF RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE ALL OLD, YOU KNOW? YES, SIR.

THAT LOOKED LIKE A YES IN HIS EYES, .

HEY, IT'D BE MORE WORK FOR ME.

AND I LIKE TO BE BUSY, SO, OKAY.

BECAUSE I, I, I KNOW, I, I DON'T, I CAN'T THINK OF MAYBE ONE OR TWO THAT ARE FAIRLY NEW.

THE REST OF 'EM ARE JUST OLDER THAN DIRT.

SO, UH, ANYWAYS, I, I'M OKAY WITH THIS.

IS, IS IF IT MAKES ELECTRICITY MORE RELIABLE, YOU KNOW, AND YOU PROTECT IT FROM THE, THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS, I, I'M GOOD WITH IT.

SO THAT'S, UM, MY MAIN THING IS, THANK YOU PROPERTY OWNERS.

DID I, DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS, IT WAS 47 FEET WHERE IT IS NOW, AND WHEN YOU REPLACE, IT'LL BE 62.

LET'S SEE.

YES, SIR.

THE CLOSEST TRANSFORMER IS 47 FEET, AND THEN, UH, ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION'S COMPLETED, THOSE NEW, THAT NEW TRANSFORMER'S INSTALLED, IT'LL BE YES, 62 FEET ENOUGH FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU WANNA DO 'EM ALL? .

I HAD ONE, ONE HAND IN THE BACK.

BACK.

YES, MA'AM.

YOU HAVE TO COME UP HERE, MA'AM.

COME ON.

SORRY.

YOU HAVE TO COME UP HERE.

IT HAS TO BE ON THE RECORD.

YOU, YOU REOPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES.

YEAH, I, I'LL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

OH, I'M SORRY.

THAT'S OKAY.

I'M COMING OFF OF HIS QUESTION THAT HE HAD FOR HIM.

MY NAME IS JUDY MONTGOMERY UHHUH, AND MY QUESTION IS, WHEN WILL YOU START THIS? WILL THIS BE GOING ON AT NIGHTTIME OR DAYTIME? BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES YOUR PEOPLE COME AT NIGHT AND WORK DAY OR NIGHT.

THAT'S A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.

UM, SO DURING CONSTRUCTION, WE'LL ADHERE TO THE CITY'S ORDINANCES FOR ALLOWABLE, UH, TIMES OF, OF CONSTRUCTION.

UM, AND WITH, UH, YOUR, YOUR COMMENT FOR, UM, WORKING AT NIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, UM, NOLAN SMITH, OUR, OUR AREA MANAGER, I'M SURE THAT YOU ALL KNOW, UM, HE, UH, DID TAKE THAT BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT THE CREWS AREN'T WORKING AT NIGHT.

SO YOU SHOULDN'T SEE ANY, IF, IF THAT WAS GOING ON.

SHOULDN'T SEE THAT UNLESS THERE'S A POWER OUTAGE.

AND IN, IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, WE WILL DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT POWER'S RESTORED.

SO, UM, IF IT, IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY TYPE OF SITUATION.

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I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL DISCUSSION.

IF ANY, ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, SUP 2 0 2 6 0 3, UH, REQUEST FOR UTILITY FACILITY IN R TWO SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND 2.91 ACRES IN SIZE ON THE SOUTHEAST STALLING DRIVE, APPROXIMATELY 200 FEET WEST OF LAVER DRIVE IN NACODOCHES.

AM I ON THE RIGHT ONE? MM-HMM .

OKAY, SO I MAKE THAT MOTION.

I SECOND HAVE A MOTION.

AND SECOND, I ASSUME THAT'S WITH THE CONDITIONS AS NOTED.

THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING, DO YOU WANNA MODIFY YOUR MOTION? NO.

INCLUDE THOSE CONDITIONS? NO, I MEAN, , I MADE THE MOTION SO HE SECONDED IT.

LET'S VOTE ON IT AND THEN WE CAN VOTE IT DOWN IF YOU WANT TO.

SO, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, SO THE MOTION CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE THE CONDITIONS AS PART OF THE MOTION.

YOU WANT TO AMEND THE, BUT YOU CAN JUST SAY IT DIFFERENTLY IF YOU WANT WITH THE CONDITIONS, YOU CAN AMEND THE MOTION.

YEAH, JUST AMEND THE MOTION SO THAT EVERYBODY'S HAPPY.

ARE YOU READY FOR AN AMENDMENT TO, RIGHT, OR DO YOU, LET'S PUT ON THE AMENDMENT FIRST, RIGHT? YES.

DID YOU WANNA PUT THE AMENDMENT UP, CHAD, OR DO YOU WANT ME TO? YEAH, I'LL, I'LL MOVE THAT.

WE AMEND THE, THE EXISTING MOTION TO INCLUDE THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND PRESENTED AT PLANNING AND ZONING.

I'LL SECOND THE AMENDMENT NOW.

YOU WANT THE VOTE? WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION.

AND SECOND ON THE AMENDMENT.

IT'S BEEN AMEN.

OKAY, NOW WE NEED TO VOTE, RIGHT? YOU HAVE A VOTE? OKAY.

NOW WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

IT'S THE WHOLE PLATTER AS AMENDED.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, YOUR HONOR, IS THE MOTION AND THE, AND THE AMENDMENT.

AND AMENDMENT.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY WITH AMENDMENTS.

ITEM SIX C, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON A SPECIFIC U USE PERMIT CASE SUP 2026 DASH OH FOUR REGARDING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR A RADIO, TV, MICROWAVE, OR CELLULAR TOWER.

NEXT ITEM,

[6.C. Public Hearing: Discuss and consider action on Specific Use Permit Case SUP2026- 04 regarding a Specific Use Permit request for a Radio, TV, Microwave, or Cellular Transmission Tower (Commercial), in a R-2, Single Family district on one (1) parcel of land approximately 15.97 acres ± in size, more particularly described by Nacogdoches Central Appraisal District Parcel 24944; and generally located on the south side of Douglass Road approximately one-quarter mile east of NW Stallings Drive, Nacogdoches, Texas. (City Planner)]

TOWER TRANSMISSION TOWER COMMERCIAL IN AN R TWO SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON ONE PARCEL OF LAND, APPROXIMATELY 15.97 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS IN SIZE.

MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BY CHE'S CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT PARCEL 2 4 9 4 4.

AND GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF DOUGLAS ROAD, APPROXIMATELY ONE QUARTER MILE EAST OF NORTHWEST STALLINGS DRIVE, NCHE, TEXAS.

MR. PAULETTE COUNSEL, JUAN PAULETTE, CITY PLANNER.

SO THIS SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 16 ACRES AND IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF DOUGLAS ROAD, APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER MILE EAST OF THE LOOP.

THE PROPERTY IS LARGELY UNDEVELOPED AND OF DENSE VEGETATION AND TREE COVER.

THE PROPOSED 240 FOOT COMMUNICATION TOWER IS LOCATED NEAR THE CENTER OF THE TRACK, PROVIDING SEPARATION FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN A R TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

THE SURROUNDING AREA CONSISTS OF GENERAL BUSINESS ZONING TO THE NORTH AND WEST WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING TO THE EAST AND SOUTH.

THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS MOSTLY RURAL DEVELOPMENT WITH A SMALL SECTION OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ON THE EASTERN PORTION.

BOTH DESIGNATIONS ARE INTENDED FOR SU TO SUPPORT LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, PATTERNS.

THE PROPOSED COMMUNICATION TOWER IS A LOW INTENSITY USE AND IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT COMPATIBILITY OF SURROUNDING LAND USES.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS A PROPOSED SITE PLAN FOR THE COMMUNICATION TOWER.

THE TOWER IS LOCATED NEAR THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY IN A SETBACK APPROXIMATELY 260 FEET FROM THE NEAREST PROPERTY LINES.

IN THE UNLIKELY EVENT OF STRUCTURAL FAILURE, THE TOWER WOULD FALL WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPERTY.

THE SITE WILL BE ACCESSED FROM DOUGLAS ROAD, AND THE TOWERS WILL INCLUDE A SMALL EQUIPMENT AREA AND, UH, AND A SURROUNDING CHAIN LINK FENCE DUE TO THE HEIGHT OF THE, AND ITS LOCATION WITHIN THE AIRPORT.

AIRSPACE PROTECTION AREA.

THE PROPOSED TOWER WAS REVIEWED BY THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION AND DETERMINED THAT THE STRUCTURE DOES NOT POSE A HAZARD TO AIR NAVIGATION.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM DOUGLAS ROAD AND ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE WEST

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AND ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE EAST.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS A 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION AREA FOR THE REQUEST.

PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET WERE MAILED A NOTICE.

LETTERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 500 FEET RECEIVED COURTESY NOTICE POSTCARDS, NO RESPONSES WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR OR AN OPPOSITION OF THE REQUEST.

A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS HELD ON MARCH 23RD, AND ONE OF THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS ATTENDED WITH QUESTIONS, BUT WAS NOT OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT.

STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE REQUEST BASED ON THESE CRITERIA AND FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSIDERED TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, WILL NOT IMPEDE THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA, AND IS NOT EXPECTED TO CREATE ADVERSE IMPACTS RELATED TO TRAFFIC INFRASTRUCTURE OR NUISANCES.

STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS FOR THIS USE AND PLANNING AND ZONING.

HEARD THIS ITEM ON APRIL 13TH AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, AND I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF ANYBODY'S GOT ANY COMMENT IN THE AUDIENCE.

HI, MICHAEL CRANE.

I'M A ZONING CONSULTANT, UH, FOR ENCORE, 6 0 5 EAST BORDER STREET, ARLINGTON, TEXAS.

I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS FOR ENCORE.

THE PURPOSE IS TO, UH, ENHANCE SMART METER TECHNOLOGY, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATION WITH THE TECHNICIANS AND JUST OVERALL POWER GRID MANAGEMENT.

SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAKE 'EM UP.

OKAY? ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR, VERY MUCH.

OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THE COMMISSION CAN MEET ONCE A MONTH, AND THAT IS THE, THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE'VE ESTABLISHED, AND HISTORICALLY THE COMMISSION HAS FOLLOWED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, THAT APPOINTING TWO, NO MORE THAN TWO ALTERNATE MEMBERS WOULD ENSURE THAT AT LEAST THERE'S ADDITIONAL, UH, MEMBERSHIP THAT CAN FILL IN, IN CASE THERE ARE VACANCIES OR ABSENCES FOR WHATEVER REASON.

IF NO OTHER, UH, COMMENT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN THE, UH, FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION, IF ANY OR I'LL ENTERTAINER MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AS NOTED IN ITEM SIX CI.

[6.D. Public Hearing: Consider approval of an Ordinance of the City of Nacogdoches, Texas, amending Chapter 118 "Zoning"; Article II "Administration", Division 2 "Planning and Zoning Commission", Section 118-66 "Organization", of the Code of Ordinances of the City of Nacogdoches, Texas; providing a severability clause; providing a continuation clause; providing a repeal clause; and providing an effective date. (Executive Director of Development and Infrastructure)]

IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF NACODOCHES, TEXAS AMENDING CHAPTER ONE 18 ZONING, ARTICLE TWO ADMINISTRATION, DIVISION TWO, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, SECTION ONE 18 DASH SIX SIX, ORGANIZATION OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF NADO, TEXAS, PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING A CONTINUATION CLAUSE, AND PROVIDING A REPEAL CLAUSE AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. NEW GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MIKE, NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR DEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

TONIGHT'S ITEM IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO OUR, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE TWO ADDITIONAL ALTERNATE MEMBERS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

JUST QUICK RECAP, I KNOW YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAKE, OUR COMMISSIONERS HAVE FIVE MEMBERS, FIVE MEMBERS EACH APPOINTED TO TWO YEAR TERMS. THEY MEET ON AVERAGE ONCE A MONTH WHEN THERE IS BUSINESS FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

THEIR POWERS INCLUDE RECOMMENDING AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE AND THOROUGHFARE PLANS, ADVISE ON ZONING REGULATIONS AND ON CALL PUBLIC HEARINGS TO DETERMINE PROPER ZONING TO ESSENTIALLY CONSIDER ZONING REQUESTS.

IN, IN ADDITION TO THAT, OUTSIDE OF CHAPTER ONE 18, THEY DO HAVE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE, UM, AND PROVIDE INPUT AND, UM, MAKE CONSIDERATIONS UPON PLAT DOCUMENTS.

SO WHAT'S DRIVING THIS? UM, WE'VE RECENTLY HAD SOME ABSENCES ON THE COMMISSION.

ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT DROVE A DELAY OF A MEETING OR CANCELLATION OF A MEETING IN FEBRUARY.

UH, LACK OF FORM DELAYED SOME OF OUR COMMISSION BUSINESS.

WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? UH, TEXAS LEGISLATURE IN 2019 PASSED HP 31 67, WHICH PROVIDED A, ESSENTIALLY A SHOCK CLOCK.

IT'S WHAT, UM, MUNICIPALITIES REFER TO THIS LEGISLATION AS.

ESSENTIALLY, IT'S A TIME LIMIT ON THE CITY'S ABILITY TO ADMINISTER AND REVIEW AND CONSIDER PLAT DOCUMENTS, IN PARTICULAR, PLATTING, UH, REQUESTS WITHIN THE CITY.

ANY SUBDIVISIONS TYPICALLY ARE HANDLED WITHIN A SPECIFIC CHAPTER, BUT ARE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS AUTHORITY OVER THOSE PARTICULAR DOCUMENTS IN THEIR REVIEW.

IF THE COMMISSION IS NOT, UH, WILLING TO CONSIDER THOSE OR ABLE TO CONSIDER THOSE WITHIN A 30 DAY TIMEFRAME, THE APPLICANT, UH, ON WHATEVER THE PLATTING REQUEST IS, CAN REQUEST THAT THAT BE AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED, ESSENTIALLY PREEMPTIVELY APPROVED, UM, VIA STATE REGULATION.

WHAT WE WANT TO ENSURE IS THAT OUR COMMISSION IS ABLE TO MEET AS A BODY AND EXERCISE THE POWERS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS GIVEN THEM.

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NOW, THE COMMISSION HAS AVERAGED ABOUT 90% ATTENDANCE RATE WITH SOME ATTENDANCE ISSUES JUST IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE MONTHS.

WE WANTED TO GET AHEAD OF IT IN CASE THERE ARE ANY, UM, IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES OR OTHER, ANY OTHER FURTHER DELAYS.

WE DIDN'T WANT THAT TO INTERRUPT THE COMMISSION'S BUSINESS OR IMPEDE ON THEIR ABILITY AS A COMMISSION TO DO WHAT COUNCIL HAS AUTHORIZED THEM TO DO.

SO WHAT ARE WE RECOMMENDING SPECIFICALLY IN SECTION 1 18 66? IT OUTLINES BRIEFLY THE COMMISSION'S ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

WHAT WE PROVIDE FOR HERE IS A DEFINITION OF FIVE REGULAR MEMBERS AND TWO ALTERNATE MEMBERS, AND ALSO ESTABLISHING THAT THREE MEMBERS STILL CONSTITUTES A QUORUM FOR THE COMMISSION AND THAT THEY WILL MEET ON A REGULAR BASIS.

THEY'LL, AND WE INCLUDED THIS IN SOME OTHER COMMISSIONS SPECIFICALLY, SO THIS WAS A TIME TO, TO ADD IT HERE, THAT THE COMMISSION WILL ELECT A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR TYPICALLY DURING THOSE APPOINTMENT CYCLES, UH, IN THE SUMMER, IN JULY AND AUGUST TIMEFRAME.

AND THAT THEY MEET REGULARLY.

I, I DID NOT, SOME CITIES DICTATE THAT THEY MEET ON VERY SPECIFIC TIMEFRAMES.

WE DID NOT DO THAT HERE, JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE MONTHS, AND TYPICALLY, USUALLY IT'S ONE MONTH, DECEMBER OR JANUARY WHERE THERE IS NO BUSINESS FOR THE COMMISSION, WE MAY GET BUSIER.

I ANTICIPATE THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY WILL BE BUSIER AND THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE MORE BUSINESS BEFORE THEM.

WE DON'T WANT THEM OR THE APPLICANTS TO BE DELAYED IN THAT MATTER.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THIS.

THE ZONING ORDINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE DID REVIEW THESE AMENDMENTS ON MARCH 31ST, AND, UH, AGREED TO MOVE THAT FORWARD TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

THEY DID ALSO REVIEW THESE AMENDMENTS AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ON APRIL 13TH.

AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? THERE BEING NONE.

WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL JUST SAY, UH, ONE THING THAT, THAT I, I, I, THERE WAS AN INSTANCE THAT I THINK WE VOTED ON LAST MEETING, OR THE MEETING BEFORE WHERE THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THERE, THERE WAS NOT GONNA BE A QUORUM.

AND ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THREE HAD TO DRIVE FROM TYLER TO GET HERE IN TIME BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANNA PUT THE CITY IN A BAD SITUATION.

UH, AND I THINK WHAT, WHAT, UH, UH, ADMINISTRATION'S TRYING TO DO IS TAKE US OUT OF A POSITION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE THERE AND SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT, OR SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T GO BEFORE THE PNZ AUTOMATICALLY GETS APPROVED BY DEFAULT.

IS THAT RIGHT, MIKE? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND, AND I, I THINK THIS, THIS COUNCIL HAS ADDED, WE'RE REALLY GOOD AT ADDING PEOPLE TO COMMITTEES.

UH, AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS A, UH, UH, ANY, ANY BIG DEAL AT ALL.

SO, AND AGAIN, PRIOR TO SOME LEGISLATIVE CHANGES AND MORE ATTENTION FOCUS BY THE STATE ON CITY GOVERNMENT, UH, THIS IS AN AUTHORITY THAT IS BECOME INCREASINGLY IMPORTANT FOR COUNCIL'S, UM, CONSIDERATIONS AS WELL AS PNZ REVIEWS THESE INITIALLY TAKES THAT FIRST GLANCE, PROVIDES INPUT, ASKS QUESTIONS, SECURES FEEDBACK.

UM, IT BENEFITS THE COUNCIL'S DECISION MAKING AS WELL.

SO MISSING THAT FOR ANY REASON, DELAYING THAT, UM, DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON DEVELOPMENT ON PLATTING AND, AND HOW WE DO BUSINESS AS A CITY.

SO IT'S, IT BECOMES INCREASINGLY IMPORTANT THAT THOSE MEETINGS BE HELD ON A REGULAR BASIS.

AND THOSE TWO NEW, UH, MEMBERS BE APPOINTED LIKE AT THE NEXT 'CAUSE WE APPOINTED CERTAIN TIMES, OR WILL IT BE MOVED UP? CORRECT.

OUR INTEREST IN BRINGING THIS TO YOU NOW IS THAT WE CAN GET ALONG THE SCHEDULE OF COUNSEL'S APPOINTMENTS FOR THE NEXT CYCLE, WHICH WE ANTICIPATE THOSE REQUESTS FOR APPLICANTS WILL GO OUT IN THE NEXT MONTH, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS.

IF COUNSEL APPROVES THIS, UH, ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TONIGHT, THE ALTERNATE MEMBERS WILL BE PART OF THAT POOL AND WE'LL BE SEEKING APPLICATIONS FOR INDIVIDUALS TO SERVE AS ALTERNATE MEMBERS.

AND FORGIVE ME, BUT DID WE HAVE A CHAIRMAN AND A VICE CHAIR BEFORE? WE, WE DO HAVE A CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

IT'S NOT SPELLED OUT IN THE LANGUAGE.

UM, SPECIFICALLY.

THEY'RE REFLECTED WITHIN OUR ORDINANCES AS WELL.

'CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS NEW THAT WAS ADDED, WASN'T IT? IT WAS LANGUAGE ADDED TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

IT'S, IT IS LANGUAGE THAT YOU WOULD FIND IN THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND ALSO BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH HOW SOME OF THESE OTHER COMMISSIONS, HOW

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I WILL ADD THAT P AND Z COMMISSION DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT PROCEDURE, MEANING HOW WOULD THE ALTERNATES BE SEATED? UH, IF THERE WERE AN ABSENCE, UM, I DID MENTION THAT, UH, WE WOULD ASK THAT COUNSEL, AND, AND CERTAINLY IT'S UP TO THE COUNSEL ON HOW THAT'S DONE.

BUT FOLLOWING ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, THOSE ALTERNATES WOULD BE APPOINTED IN A SPECIFIC ORDER THAT COUNSEL WOULD APPOINT ALTERNATE ONE, ALTERNATE TWO, AND THEY WOULD BE SEATED AS SUCH IF THERE WERE A VACANCY OR AN ABSENCE.

AND STAFF WOULD, WOULD COORDINATE THAT WITH THOSE SPECIFIC ALTERNATES.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT OUR ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HAS DONE.

THEY CAME UP WITH A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT PROCEDURE, UM, MORE OF A, I GUESS A LOTTERY, UM, OR IS IT A LOTTERY POLL BEFORE EACH MEETING? UM, WE'VE ONLY DONE THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES BECAUSE ZBA HAS NOT MET THAT FREQUENTLY IN THE LAST YEAR.

BUT, UM, IT'S CERTAINLY UP TO THE COUNCIL HOW, HOW THAT IS DONE.

WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANNA REFLECT THAT.

WE WEREN'T PREPARED TO DO THAT, UM, FOR THIS AMENDMENT.

BUT IT CAN BE DONE INTERNALLY AND, AND THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE DONE A CERTAIN WAY.

IF WE FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULES, WE WOULD DO THAT IN ALTERNATE ORDER AND PRESENT THAT WITHIN THE APPLICATIONS AS SUCH.

SO, UM, WAS THERE NOTICE GIVEN, UM, BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEMBERS THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND? OR WAS THIS JUST A LAST MINUTE SURPRISE OR WHAT HAPPENED? ATTEND, UH, THE MEETING, THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING WHERE WE BARELY HAD THREE.

SO MAYBE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOTICE GIVEN THAT THEY WON'T, THE GENESIS FOR THIS WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE LAST MINUTE.

HEY, I CAN'T MAKE IT RIGHT.

SCENARIOS.

AND I DO THINK, AND THIS IS, I HATE TO USE CONTACT SPORTS, BUT TYPICALLY IF SOMEONE KNOWS THERE'S AN IMPENDING BACKUP THAT CAN COME IN FOR THEM, THEY PLAY BETTER.

SO I WOULD HOPE ON BOTH FRONTS IT WOULD MEAN, I MEAN, THE FACT THAT SOME OF THE MEMBERS ARE INQUIRING, WELL, HOW'S THIS GONNA WORK? SOME MAY SAY, WELL, I DON'T WANT SOMEONE CASTING MY VOTE.

AND SO HOPEFULLY THIS WILL GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE.

UH, ALSO JUST KNOWING THAT WE HAVE A PROCESS AND IF YOU, IF YOU'RE GONNA PARTICIPATE, THEN YOU KNOW, JOHNNY, SO LET ME REPHRASE IT OR RE-ASK THAT TOO.

UM, I HOPE WE DO HAVE SOME PROCEDURE THAT THEY SAY THAT THEY GIVE AT LEAST THAT FOUR DAYS NOTICE OR, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WILL NOT BE ATTENDING OR SOMETHING.

AND THEN THE FOLLOW UP IS, AT ONE POINT, I BELIEVE YOU SUGGESTED THAT THEY WILL BE, THAT THE ALTERNATES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ATTEND ALL PLANNING AND ZONING MEETINGS, OR THEY CLARIFY.

THAT WOULD BE CONCERN WITH HOW OUR ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, UM, PROCEDURALLY MANAGES ALTERNATES THAT, THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO ATTEND THE MEETINGS EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT SEATED AND PARTICIPATING AS VOTING MEMBERS.

THAT COULD BE AN OPTION HERE TOO.

UM, WE COULD OUTLINE THOSE WITH, UH, GUIDANCE FROM THE P AND Z COMMISSION AND COUNCIL AS MORE OF A SPECIFIC PROCEDURE IN WRITING.

UM, I KNOW THAT'S NOT PART OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY.

AND BECAUSE IF PEOPLE ASK US, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE, IF IN PRACTICE, WHAT WE FOUND, PARTICULARLY FOR ZBA, SINCE WE HAD SPENT A LITTLE PART OF A YEAR ORGANIZING THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, UPDATING WHAT THEY HAD, IT, IT WAS BENEFICIAL AND THAT ZBA MEMBERS, EVEN THE ALTERNATE MEMBERS, FOUND IT USEFUL TO REQUIRE ATTENDANCE AT THOSE MEETINGS, TO CAPTURE THOSE PACKETS, TO REVIEW THEM IN ANTICIPATION OF POTENTIALLY BEING SEATED.

BECAUSE COMING PREPARED IS ALWAYS THE BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR ALL THOSE MEMBERS AND NOT GET IN THE HABIT OF, OF MAYBE IGNORING SOME OF THOSE MESSAGES AND NOTIFICATIONS.

WHAT'S EVEN MORE CHALLENGING FOR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE NOTIFICATION OF ABSENCE, THAT IF A MEMBER WAS GOING TO BE ABSENT OR HAD PLANNED TO BE ABSENT, THEY'D PROVIDE PLENTY OF NOTIFICA NOTIFICATION.

THEY WOULD'VE TO DO THAT PROBABLY MORE THAN 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE.

WE DO ISSUE, UH, POSTCARD NOTIFICATIONS.

YOU'VE, YOU'VE SEEN IN OUR SUP, WE PROVIDE THOSE NOTIFICATION MESSAGES TO THE COUNCIL AND WHOM WE NOTIFY AND HOW WE DO THAT.

TYPICALLY TWO, THREE, SOMETIMES FOUR WEEKS IN ADVANCE.

AND THOSE HAVE TO REMAIN ON THE AGENDA IF THEY ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE SETTING THOSE THINGS IN MOTION, EVEN 60 DAYS IN ADVANCE.

AND THOSE ABSENCES, IF THEY'RE TRAILING THAT EVEN WITHIN THAT WINDOW, WE STILL HAVE TO POST THE AGENDA AND WE STILL HAVE TO AT LEAST FOLLOW BUSINESS.

SO IT BECOMES DIFFICULT TO DO IT ENOUGH TIMES IN ADVANCE.

YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CAN'T, I THINK, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PUT A TIME LIMIT ON THIS.

NOBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, IF SOMEBODY DIES, IF SOMEBODY'S THROWING UP, WALKING THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR.

I MEAN, SO I THINK THIS WAS AN UNUSUAL, UH, THING THAT HAPPENED WHERE IT WAS LAST MINUTE AND NOBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN UNTIL THEY WALK IN THAT FRONT DOOR AND THEY'RE HERE FROM A, AND THEN YOU STILL DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU GET HERE.

IS SOMETHING STAFF COULD DO TO INITIATE, UM, IMPROVEMENT IS, UH, HAVE THE COMMISSION JUST DISCUSS THEIR SCHEDULE FOR THE YEAR IN ONE MEETING, TALK THROUGH THAT SCHEDULE, UNDERSTAND MONTHS IN ADVANCE WHAT, WHAT THE PLANS ARE.

FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, ONE THING WE DID MENTION

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WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY, IF IT'S THREE OR FOUR MONTHS IN ADVANCE TO RESET A MEETING DATE AND THEN PLAN AROUND A MEETING DATE THAT WE'RE FAIRLY FAMILIAR THE COMMISSIONERS CAN ATTEND.

SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE CAN DO FAR ENOUGH IN ADVANCE.

UM, UN UNEXPECTED ABSENCES BECOME VERY DIFFICULT.

IS THAT RULE STILL IN EFFECT, WHERE THAT IF YOU MISS THREE MEETINGS, YOU CAN BE TAKEN OFF THE BOARD AND REPLACED? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS WHEN I WAS ON SOME OF THOSE COMMITTEES, THAT WAS, I BELIEVE THAT'S STILL THE CASE.

I MEAN, IT WAS UP TO THE BOARD TO DO THAT, BUT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE MISS MORE THAN THREE MEETINGS.

AND I BELIEVE WHAT WE'VE DONE, I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME TURNOVER SINCE OUR LAST APPOINTMENT, UM, REVIEW BY THE COUNCIL, BUT WE DO TRY TO PROVIDE THOSE ATTENDANCE REPORTS TO THE COUNCIL ON COMMISSION MEMBERS.

YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE GOT THEM LAST TIME, BUT THAT, THAT'S HELPFUL.

JUST FOR CLARITY ON THAT, IF THERE WAS AN ATTENDANCE ISSUE, IT'S THE COUNCIL THAT WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THOSE PEOPLE.

ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER NOTE, SIR.

UH, ON THE ITEM REPORT, IT SAYS IT WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED BY, OR UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED BY PNZ FOUR TO ZERO.

WERE THERE FOUR PEOPLE AT THAT MEETING? THERE WERE FOUR.

WE HAD, UH, COMMISSIONER FO PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY.

I, I HAD SEEN THE MEETING AND I DIDN'T SEE HER ON THERE.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND I KNOW THAT THE OTHER, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS SAID THREE THAT SHE WAS ABSENT.

SO YEAH, SHE, SHE CAME IN ADDED, SHE CAME INTO THE MEETING LATE, LATER, UH, VIRTUALLY.

GOOD.

JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

BUT THAT DIDN'T HELP WITH THE QUORUM.

I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CORRECT.

WE, WE STILL HAD A QUORUM PRESENT, THE THREE PEOPLE, CORRECT.

CORRECT.

AGAIN, THAT WE, WE KIND OF WENT INTO THAT DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT WITH THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT WHAT IF IT'S HYBRID, WHAT IF, UM, IT ALWAYS FELL BACK TO THE STANDARD OF THREE PRESENT IN PERSON CONSTITUTING A QUORUM.

THEN IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL, WHETHER THEY BE ALTERNATE OR REGULAR MEMBERS, THEY CAN PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY.

IF WE CANNOT CONSTITUTE A QUORUM OF THREE FOR THIS PARTICULAR COMMISSION IN PERSON, THEN THE MEETING CANNOT MOVE FORWARD.

SO WE'LL HOLD THAT STANDARD THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THEIR QUORUM NUMBERS.

SO THAT, THAT ACTUALLY BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALTERNATES.

IF THERE ARE, THERE IS A QUORUM PHYSICALLY PRESENT, DO THE OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS GET TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY OR DO YOU BRING IN THE ALTERNATES THAT ARE THERE PHYSICALLY? IF THERE'S FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL ON A SPECIFIC WAY TO DO THAT? WE, WE CAN, OUR, I GUESS OUR INTERPRETATION IS THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SEAT FIVE AT ALL TIMES.

IF THERE'S FIVE IN PERSON, WHETHER THEY BE ALTERNATES OR REGULAR, YOU'D WANNA SEAT ALL FIVE.

IF THERE ARE ONLY, BUT THREE, THEN YOU SEAT THREE.

IF THERE ARE ONLY, BUT FOUR, YOU SEAT FOUR, UM, IF THERE ARE FIVE THAT CAN BE THREE IN PERSON AND TWO VIRTUAL, YOU DO THREE IN PERSON AND TWO VIRTUAL AND THEY ALL PARTICIPATE.

SO THE, THE GOAL WOULD BE FIVE, TO HAVE FIVE MEMBERS PROVIDE INPUT AND PARTICIPATE AND VOTE.

UM, OTHERWISE NO, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE STANDARD THAT WE'LL FOLLOW UNLESS COUNCIL HAS DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND, AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE, WE'RE THERE YET.

I THINK REALLY WE'RE JUST, DO WE WANT ALTERNATES? AND I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY ON BOARD WITH THAT, BUT JUST A, A THOUGHT THAT CAME UP AS WE WERE DISCUSSING THAT.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT COMMISSION KIND OF TOUCHED ON AS WELL.

WELL, I DO WANNA, UM, PARTICULARLY THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THE SHOT CLOCK.

'CAUSE I HEARD QUITE A BIT OF PROBLEMS OF OTHER CITIES WHO HAVE HAD UNWELCOME EVENTS HAPPEN BECAUSE THEY MISSED THE SHOT CLOCK.

AND COMING FROM A HIGH GROWTH CITY WHERE THERE IS BUSINESS TO BE HAD ALL OVER THE PLACE.

UM, WE FREQUENTLY ENCOUNTERED SHOT CLOCK ISSUES AND WE'RE UNDER THE GUN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDED THE COMMISSION WITH APPROPRIATE TIME AND DOCUMENTS TO REVIEW.

SO DEFINITELY DON'T WE, WE WANNA BE BUSY, WE WANT TO DEVELOP, WE WANNA GROW.

WE DON'T RUN WANT, WANT TO RUN INTO ISSUES HERE WHERE WE'RE SEEDING AUTHORITY FOR THAT REASON.

WHERE AM I AT ON THIS? HAVE I CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING? YOU'RE STILL DOING COUNCIL DISCUSSION.

DISCUSSION.

ALRIGHT, IF YOU'RE READY FOR A MOTION, I'M, UM, I, I'M MAKING THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, UH, THE ORDINANCE, UM, OF THE CITY OF NACODOCHES AMENDING CHAPTER ONE 18, ZONING AS OUTLINED IN ITEM 62ND.

MOTION TO SECOND.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES FOR LA LANA AND BONITA SEWER REPLACEMENT PROJECTS.

NEXT ITEM

[6.E. Consider selection of the submission by Hydrex Environmental Consulting LLC in response to solicitation RFQ 26-10-118 for Environmental Services for Lanana and Banita Sewer Replacement Projects. (Director of Public Works/City Engineer)]

SIX E.

CONSIDER SELECTION OF THE SUBMISSION OF HYDRO'S ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTING LLC IN RESPONSE TO SOLICITATION RFQ 26 DASH 10 DASH ONE 18

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MR. OPPERMAN, MAYOR OF CITY COUNCIL, UH, CASE OPPERMAN, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND CITY ENGINEER.

THERE WE GO.

REMEMBERED FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, UM, YES, BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING TO DISCUSS, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES ON THE NAN AND BONITA CREEK SEWER LINES.

UM, IF YOU WERE, UM, IF YOU RECALL AT THE LAST MEETING WE DISCUSSED, UH, THIS PROJECT, UH, IN TERMS OF THE SURVEYING CONSULTANT WE HAD GONE OUT FOR QUALIFICATIONS ON, I WILL, UM, NOT REHASH ALL THE SPECIFICS OF THE, UH, PROJECT JUST FOR RESPECT TO Y'ALL'S TIME, BUT, UM, WE DO HAVE THESE TWO, UH, SEWER REMAINS THROUGH TOWN THAT WE ARE, UH, AT THE BEGINNING STAGES OF LOOKING AT REPLACING.

UM, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A FEW YEARS, AND WE HAVE THE FUNDING NOW TO, UH, TO DO THESE PROJECTS IN THE CIP.

SO, UM, WE WENT OUT FOR QUALIFICATIONS A FEW WEEKS AGO ON, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES FOR THIS WORK.

SO THIS IS, AGAIN, LIKE SURVEYING SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE, UH, KIND OF AT THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THIS, UM, CAN BE DONE AND WILL BE DONE SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH DESIGN.

BUT, UH, A LOT OF THESE, UM, ASPECTS OF ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, CONSIDERATIONS WILL BE IMPORTANT WHEN WE GET INTO DESIGN.

SO, UM, THE, UH, THIS CONTRACT, IF, UH, IF THIS CONSULTANT IS SELECTED, WILL, UH, COMPRISE, UM, ALL ENCOMPASSING ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS, UH, DOCUMENTATION, UH, CLEARANCES AND PERMITTING.

UM, IT WILL INVOLVE ARCHEOLOGICAL CULTURAL RESOURCES.

IT'LL INVOLVE WETLAND STUDIES, UH, ENDANGERED SPECIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND SO, UM, WE RECEIVED EIGHT, UH, SUBMISSIONS FOR QUALIFICATIONS WITH THIS, UH, SOLICITATION.

UH, VERY, VERY CLOSE ON SEVERAL OF THESE.

BUT HYDRO'S ENVIRONMENTAL WAS, UH, DETERMINED, UH, BY, UH, THE INDEPENDENT STORING OF STAFF TO BE THE, THE MOST QUALIFIED FOR THIS WORK.

AND SO, UH, WE'VE GOT GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH HYDROX.

THEY'RE HERE LOCALLY AND DO A LOT OF GOOD WORK FOR THE CITY.

SO WE'RE EXCITED TO, UH, HAVE THEM POTENTIALLY ON BOARD FOR THIS, FOR THIS PROJECT.

SO, UM, IF, UH, IF SELECTED, WE WILL BRING BACK A CONTRACT TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AFTER WE, UH, KIND OF GO THROUGH SCOPE AND, UH, DEVELOP A PROPOSAL FROM FROM EC.

SO, UH, IF I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT OR FROM COUNSEL ANY QUESTIONS, IT'S GREAT TO SEE THIS PROJECT MOVING ALONG.

SO THANK YOU.

AND YEARS.

YEAH, BUT IT'S, IT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO, UM, NEED PUBLIC COMMENT.

IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.

I KNOW.

IT'S, IT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO GET THESE, I'VE BEEN WORRIED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT TOO.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE SELECTION OF THE SUBMISSION OF HYDRO'S ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTING LLC IN RESPONSE TO SOLICITATION SOLICITATION OF RFQ TWENTY SIX TEN ONE EIGHTEEN FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES FOR ANA AND BONITA CREEK REPLACEMENT PROJECTS.

I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

HAVE MOTION SECOND.

MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

F HOLD A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE, THE FISCAL YEAR 2026, 2027 BUDGET, INCLUDING THE CALENDAR, ESTABLISHING DEADLINES FOR MEETINGS, WORKSHOPS, AND HEARINGS TO APPROVE THE UPCOMING BUDGET FISCAL YEAR 2026, 2027, BUDGET PRIORITIES AND ASSESSMENT OF FISCAL YEAR 2025 AND TO 2026.

NEXT ITEM SIX

[6.F. Hold a discussion regarding the FY 2026-27 budget, including the calendar establishing deadlines for meetings, workshops, and hearings to approve the upcoming budget; FY 2026-27 budget priorities; and assessment of FY 2025-26 budget. (City Manager)]

KATHLEEN, YOU PUT THIS ON HERE.

DO YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE THIS OR, WELL, SURE, I'LL TELL YOU WHY I PUT IT ON.

TO BEGIN WITH.

SO IN RECENT, IN RECENT MEETINGS, THERE HAVE BEEN COMMENTS MADE ABOUT OUR ROLE AS A COUNCIL, UM, INDICATING THAT SOME PEOPLE THINK IT'S TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND SETTLE ISSUES BEFORE, BEFORE THE MEETING, AND BEFORE WE'VE HAD, AND HAVE OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED BEFORE A COUNCIL MEETING.

AND I DISAGREE WITH THAT PHILOSOPHY, AND I THINK SETTLING ISSUES BEFORE A MEETING ISN'T TRANSPARENT AND COULD EASILY VIOLATE THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

AND I BELIEVE THERE, WE NEED TO HOLD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THINGS IN ADVANCE SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND INPUT BEFORE DECISIONS ARE ARE CONSIDERED.

AND I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE OUR WHOLE COUNCIL DISCUSS THEM.

SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED TO PUT THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

YOU WANNA, WELL, WELL, WELL HANG ON JUST A MINUTE.

SO RICK, DO

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I, I GOT A QUESTION FOR HER, UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

UM, OKAY.

WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS EVERY YEAR.

SO YOU DON'T LIKE THAT PROCESS? I'M SORRY? WHAT PROCESS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I'M TALKING ABOUT, UH, LIKE THIS YEAR WE'LL HAVE, THERE'LL BE DEPARTMENTAL OPERATIONS PROJECTIONS.

UH, WE HAVE, UH, DEPARTMENT BUDGET MEETINGS.

UH, WE HAVE BUDGET WORKSHOPS FOR THE COUNCIL.

SO I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE HOLDING A DISCUSSION.

SO I HAVE SOME ITEMS MYSELF, I HOPE THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED IN THIS COMING BUDGET.

SO I, I'LL INTRODUCE THEM TO YOU IF YOU WANT.

OR DID YOU WANNA SPEAK FIRST, RICK? WELL, GO AHEAD.

LET ME, LET ME RUN THROUGH THE PROCESS AND LET ME SURE.

BECAUSE WHEN WE GO BACK THROUGH THIS, YOU'LL ALSO SEE ITEMS THAT CAME UP DURING THE RETREAT GENERALLY, RIGHT? SO WE BRING THESE THINGS UP AT SEVERAL POINTS ACROSS A PROPOSED BUDGET YEAR DURING THE GIVEN FISCAL YEAR.

UM, WE DO, FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, IF THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT A, A SINGLE MEMBER HAS.

WE ALWAYS SAY SEND US SPECIALLY IN WRITING SOMETHING.

UM, WE HAVE HAD AND TRIED TO HOLD, UM, WHAT WERE THEY, UH, ONCE EVERY TWO WEEK, UM, SESSIONS WITH STAFF AS AN OPTION TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

UH, THERE IS NOTHING IN TERMS OF A QUORUM THAT WE'VE EVER DONE IN TERMS OF ANSWERING QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE OF A MEETING.

IF ANYTHING, OUR JOB IS TO PROVIDE Y'ALL WITH AS MUCH INFORMATION HEADING INTO A MEETING AS POSSIBLE.

AND THEN IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WE CERTAINLY INVITE THOSE.

UH, NOWHERE HAVE WE SAID IS ANYTHING A CARTE BLANCHE APPROVE EVERYTHING THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS, I WOULD SAY YOU WOULD HAVE MUCH MORE INFORMATION ACROSS THE BOARD IF SOMETHING COMES UP, LET'S SAY A MONTH OUT, AND WE CAN ANSWER IT.

UH, AND IT ALSO DOESN'T VIOLATE QUORUM.

WE, WE SHARE THAT INFORMATION WHEN THOSE QUESTIONS COME UP.

THAT'S WHY, WHY WE ASK FOR THEM IN WRITING.

WE TYPICALLY ASK THE CITY SECRETARY TO SEND THE RESPONSE OUT TO ALL, UM, B, C, C, EVERYBODY.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO DO THE TELL 'EM, TELL 'EM WHAT YOU TOLD 'EM AND TELL 'EM AGAIN, APPROACH THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

UM, NOW WITH THIS, WE'RE GONNA TELL YOU, TELL YOU WHAT WE TOLD YOU AND TELL YOU AGAIN.

SO I'M RUNNING ON FUMES SLIGHTLY RIGHT NOW.

SO I'VE GOT THIS, THIS IS, I HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT THIS IN ADVANCE BEFORE SITTING DOWN, OTHER THAN GIVEN STAFF A LIST OF WHAT I WANTED TO SEE IN HERE.

SO WE COULD RUN THROUGH THIS BASED ON YOUR REQUEST.

LET'S SEE, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER WATER IN HERE? POSSIBLY NOT HIS .

LET'S SEE.

SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA, WHAT WE'RE GONNA RUN THROUGH, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS LOOKING AT EVERYTHING, THE, THE, UH, AND I'LL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SLIDE WE HAVE, THE BUDGET CALENDAR.

I THINK IT'S BACK IN, LET'S SEE HERE.

WELL, YOU HAVE THIS CALENDAR.

WHEN I SAY WE SHARE STUFF, AS SOON AS FINANCE DEVELOPED IT, THIS IS OUR SCHEDULE.

AND RICK, IS THIS PUBLIC SOMEWHERE? I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THIS WAS AN INTERNAL DOCUMENT THAT WE SHARED WITH COUNSEL FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.

AND THEN THIS IS EXACT, THIS IS THE SAME.

THIS IS ACTUALLY WOULD'VE BEEN DISCUSSED IN TODD'S, UH, GENERAL APPROACH.

I KNOW TODD'S NOT HERE.

WHERE'S, UH, IS KEVIN HERE? NO, TODD IS ON A, A LONG PLANNED VACATION.

UM, BUT THIS IS A PROPOSED TENTATIVE SCHEDULE FOR THE FY 27 BUDGET PROCESS.

THIS IS, SO WE SENT IT TO YOU AGAIN, COUNSEL, WE SENT IT TO YOU, IS AN INTERNAL DOCUMENT FOR DISCUSSIONS IF THINGS COME UP IN TERMS OF TIMING.

WE HAVE THIS, THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS TODAY? UH, IS IT A PUBLIC DOCUMENT SUBJECT TO OPEN RECORDS REQUEST? SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I WOULD, I'D PUT IT THAT WAY.

UH, I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL.

IT'S NOT IN THE PACKET.

WELL, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT'S, I GOT IT.

TO SEE THAT THIS IS WHERE IT'S NOT A FINAL, IT'S NOT A FINAL SCHEDULE.

WELL, I KNOW WE HAVE THIS HERE, BUT IT'S NOT I SENT TO YOU IN THE WEEKLY TOOL.

OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE WEEKLY? YES.

I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE IT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE IT, UM, PUBLISHED

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AGAIN, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, MOST OF THOSE DEADLINES, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE ITEMS THAT SAY DEPARTMENTAL AND THINGS DUE TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, THOSE ARE INTERNAL DEADLINES.

THOSE ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

THESE ARE OUR, OUR PRIMARY, UH, FUNDS GENERAL FUND, UPPER LEFT UTILITY FUND, OFF TO THE RIGHT SANITATION, LOWER LEFT AIRPORT, LOWER RIGHT.

SO THIS IS, AGAIN, WE'RE SHARING WITH YOU EVEN OUR INTERNAL, UH, MILESTONES.

NOW, AGAIN, THIS IS A DRAFT.

SO WITH THAT, LET ME, I'D ASK THAT THIS BE INCLUDED IN THE POWERPOINT.

I'VE BEEN AT A HOSPITAL FOR THE LAST THREE DAYS, SO, OKAY.

OH, SORRY.

SO NOT ME.

SO, OH, IT IS, IT, IS IT IN HERE? YEAH, IT'S IN YOUR SLIDES.

IT'S IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT.

APPARENTLY.

IT'S, IT'S, YOU CAN COVER IT IF YOU WANT.

WANT THE SLIDES.

OH, IT'S EVEN ON.

IT'S, IT'S IN THE SLIDES, SO, OH, GOOD.

THAT'S GREAT.

YES, IT'S INCLUDED.

THAT'S, THAT'S PERFECT.

THAT'S VERY, VERY HELPFUL.

AND I ALSO APPRECIATE, I DO WANNA SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE HAVING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP IN JULY, 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT LAST YEAR, BUT ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS EARLY ON, EVEN BEFORE YOU HAVE DEPARTMENTAL, UM, MEETINGS, UM, DON'T YOU THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO GET SOME QUESTIONS AND SOME THOUGHTS BEFORE YOU HAVE THE, UM, HAVE THE DEPARTMENT START THINKING ABOUT THINGS? WELL, WE, THAT, THAT WAS ALSO THE PURPOSE IN THE FALL OF THE, UH, OF THE RETREAT BECAUSE, SO WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO, WE HAVE THE SNAPSHOT OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND THE, AND THE APPROVED BUDGET AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HEADING INTO THE NEXT ONE.

I THINK YOU'LL SEE AS WE LOOK AT THIS, A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS YOUR STAND STANDALONE O AND M, WHAT WE HAVE PLUS THE APPROVED BOND PROJECTS, THE APPROVED CIP PROJECTS, THE THINGS THAT TAKE MULTIPLE YEARS TO DEVELOP.

SO WHETHER IT'S FUNDED AND THE UTILITY FUND, WHETHER IT'S FUNDED IN THE THROUGH, UH, BONDS, WHETHER IT IS JUST A STANDARD GENERAL FUND OR ENTERPRISE FUND, LIKE THE AIRPORT, YOU'LL TYPICALLY HAVE A MULTI-YEAR PROCESS IN SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DESIGNED, BID FUNDED, CONSTRUCTED, ALL OF THOSE.

SO A LOT OF WHAT WE ARE DOING IS NOT NEW, NOT NOVEL.

A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING ALSO STARTED WITH PRIOR ADMINISTRATIONS, THEN WE TWEAK IT.

THAT'S PRETTY MUCH AS, AS YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD, YOU'LL INHERIT PROJECTS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A SEWER PROJECT, IT'S TAKING, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, IT'S TAKING SEVERAL YEARS TO PLAY OUT.

SO YOUR BUDGET PRIORITIES ARE TO A, TO SOME EXTENT ALSO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT BOND PROJECTS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A MULTI-YEAR COMMITMENT.

SO WE, WHEN WE OUTLINE THE OVERARCHING GOALS OF THE BUDGET, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S WE WERE SOLICITING INPUT.

THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF, AND WE DID TALK ABOUT COUNCIL MANAGER DURING THAT PROCESS ON Y'ALL REALLY FOCUSING TRUTHFULLY ON, IN A, IN A STRATEGIC WAY.

SO EVEN WHEN WE DO OUR FALL WORK OR OUR WINTER WORKSHOPS, WHATEVER THEY WORK OUT TO BE, ENDS UP BEING ABOUT THE SAME.

THIS PART, THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY, WE WANT THE INPUT ON A HIGH LEVEL TYPE OF ITEMS THAT WE CAN THEN GO BACK AND REFINE PRIOR TO BUDGET AND THEN INTO BUDGET, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S NEW, IT'S, IF SOMETHING'S NEW, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT OUR DELTA IS IN VARIOUS, UH, BUDGET SILOS.

SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TELL.

DO WE HAVE ROOM TO DO, I DON'T KNOW, UH, A BASS BOAT ON LAKE KNACK? I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT AS A, AS A PROJECT.

SO YOU WANNA GO FISHING ? I'M JUST, I HAVEN'T BEEN FISHING IN A LONG TIME.

MAYBE IT'S THE, THE REASON HIT, MAYBE YOU'RE FISHING, YOU KNOW, SWIMMING WITH THE FISHES OR SOMETHING.

THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE OUR END UP.

SO, UM, I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE AS, AS JUST ONE EXAMPLE.

SO WE HAVE, SO GO AHEAD.

CAN WE RUN THROUGH THE SLIDES FIRST? SURE, PLEASE DO.

YEAH, THERE, THERE WILL BE PROBABLY.

I WAS JUST CALLED ON BY THE MAYOR, SO I GO AHEAD AND RUN THROUGH THE YOU PUT IT ON HERE.

I DID.

I'M HAPPY TO PUT IT ON THERE.

YEAH, GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD.

AND THEN MAYBE THAT'LL ANSWER MY QUESTIONS AND IT MAY NOT.

YEAH, IT MAY NOT.

YOU HAD ME AT BASS BOAT, , I CAN'T HELP MYSELF.

AT LEAST I DIDN'T SAY MONSTER TRUNK.

YOU CRACKED A SINGLE JOKE TONIGHT, SO WE GOTTA GET YOU GOING.

I HAVEN'T HAD A MOON PIE EITHER.

UM, SO LET'S START WITH WHERE WE'RE AT AND YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU ACROSS THE YEAR AT, I MEAN, EVEN IN OUR, OUR WEEKLIES, UM, RIGHT NOW,

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THE LOWER THE NUMBER, THE BETTER.

SO THE, THOSE THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY THE GOAL WOULD BE TO KEEP IT UNDER 1.0.

UH, 1.0 WOULD BE YOU'RE COMPLETELY DEAD FLAT.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE RUNNING PRETTY GOOD ON GENERAL FUND RUNNING JUST BELOW ON, UH, UTILITY AND SANITATION FUNDS.

AND ON THE AIRPORT FUND, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THAT IS, THAT'S AN AREA THAT IT'S, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AN ENTERPRISE FUND, BUT IT DOESN'T GENERATE A LOT OF CASH.

IT'S, I CAN TELL YOU, HAVING BEEN OTHER PLACES THAT HAD AIRPORTS OR GOLF COURSES, THOSE AREN'T AREAS WHERE YOU, YOU TYPICALLY MAKE A LOT OF MONEY.

AND EVEN IF THERE ARE YEARS WHERE IT DOES GO INTO THE BLACK FROM BEING IN THE RED, WHEN YOU MAKE MAJOR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES, OFTENTIMES YOU FLIP IT UPSIDE DOWN.

AND IF YOU DON'T DO THOSE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES USUALLY PUSHED THROUGH BY GENERAL FUND OR GENERAL FUND BONDS, UH, YOUR PROBLEM, YOUR PROBLEM GETS WORSE IN TERMS OF YOUR OWN M COSTS.

SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT IS, IT IS A PROVERBIAL CHICKEN AND EGG.

YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU DO SOMETHING AND IT'S GONNA COST YOU MORE.

YOU DO NOTHING.

IT'S GONNA COST YOU EVEN MORE THAN THAT IN THE LONG RUN.

NOW THIS NEXT ONE IS JUST SALES TAX REVENUE, AS Y'ALL CAN PROBABLY SEE WE ARE DOING BETTER.

UH, YOU CAN LOOK JUST KIND OF THE SUMMARY FY 26 OVER 25.

UM, THEN YOU CAN ALSO LOOK AT WHAT THE BUDGET ESTIMATES WERE IN TERMS OF OUR, WHAT OUR SPEND RATE IS.

SO WE'RE DEFINITELY HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

UM, YOU KNOW, 24 THINGS WERE, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER WHEN INTEREST RATES, WHEN INTEREST RATES WENT UP, IT HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A CHILLING EFFECT ON THINGS.

SO 24 25 WAS NOT AS ROBUST AS 2324.

HOWEVER, IF YOU ALSO REMEMBER, IT TOOK A WHILE FOR UT AND SFA TO RAMP UP.

AND I THINK WE'RE, YES, INTEREST RATES ARE HIGHER, BUT YES, WE'RE ALSO GETTING THE DE THE DEMAND RELATED TO SFA FINALLY KICKING IN WITH THE ADDITIONAL STUDENTS, SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURES.

AND THAT'S TO BE EXPECTED.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN, UM, GOING BACK, THIS IS NOT A FIDELITY OR OTHER INVESTMENT HOUSE, UH, COMMERCIAL THAT PASSED.

PERFORMANCE IS GONNA BE AN INDICATOR, A FUTURE PERFORMANCE BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON IN THE WORLD.

TURNOVER RATE.

Y'ALL ASKED US TO LOOK AT THIS PREVIOUSLY.

UM, 20, WE WERE UP OVER 20%, WHICH ACTUALLY, AND BACK IN 23, UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY UP IN THE TWENTIES IS WHERE A LOT OF THE CITIES, UH, STAY.

SOMETIMES THEY GET UP CLOSE TO 30.

UM, WE HAD, WE WERE TRENDING IN A FEW DEPARTMENTS.

WE MIGHT HAVE BEEN DOWN CLOSER TO 15, 16.

I THINK WE'VE HAD ONE OR TWO SPECIFICALLY THAT HAVE HAD, THAT ARE FAIRLY HIGH STRESS, THAT HAVE HAD SOME TURNOVER.

BUT WE'VE ALSO HAD SOME THAT HISTORICALLY HAVE HAD SOME ISSUES, UH, THAT HAVE REALLY STABILIZED.

AND I WANT TO SAY KUDOS TO, UH, CHIEF WEEMS ON, ON IN TERMS OF THE SWORN SIDE AND FILLING BACK UP PD AND ALSO TO CHIEF BROWN.

I THINK OUR TURNOVER HAS ALMOST BEEN, UH, CUT IN HALF FOR CUT LESS THAN HALF.

I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO OTHER, HE DIDN'T HAVE TURNOVER, , OTHER, OTHER DOCUMENTS.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING GREAT.

HE, YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, I THINK BROWN IS POKING WILLIAMS OVER THAT ISSUE RIGHT NOW.

LET ONE OF Y'ALL WITH A PHD DO THAT MATH FOR ME.

NO.

UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE OTHER INPUTS THAT I, I DO BELIEVE ARE A DIRECT, UH, CAN DIRECTLY AFFECT YOUR TURNOVER.

UH, YES, PEOPLE GO INTO PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT BECAUSE THEY USUALLY HAVE AN ALTRUISTIC COMPONENT, BUT THEY ALSO GO INTO IT TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES INSURANCE, ALL THOSE THINGS.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT, ESPECIALLY THE, UH, COVID ERA, YOUR CONSUMER PRICE INDEX TO THE RIGHT, WHICH IS YOUR INFLATIONARY EFFECT VERSUS WHAT THE RAISES WERE, UM, THEY WEREN'T REAL STRONG.

I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE'VE REALLY BEEN ABLE TO TAPER OFF AND DROP THINGS BY THAT LOOKS LIKE A CONSISTENT 5%, UH, REDUCTION.

UM, THEN, OR, OR ACTUALLY IT'S A LARGER PERCENTAGE THAN THAT.

I'LL, I'LL

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UH, GO COUGS.

SO, UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE LAST, UM, 24, 25 AND 25, 26 Y'ALL APPROVED.

UM, WHAT WERE SOME OF THE BETTER RAISES THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN THE LAST, I THINK IN THE CASE OF PD, I THINK YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE EIGHTIES.

UM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE IN THE EIGHTIES.

UM, THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN WORKING HERE YET, BUT, SO THAT'S WHERE THAT STANDS.

THIS IS WHAT WE DID IN THE, UH, IN THE LAST BUDGET.

UH, AND THIS IS KIND OF, I THINK THIS IS WHAT OUR, UH, PROPOSED APPROACH MAY BE HEADING INTO THIS, WHEN WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT WHERE EVERYTHING FALLS.

BUT, UM, WE HAVE TRIED IN THIS LAST YEAR TO, UH, KNOWING THAT AS A PERCENT, YOU NEED TO HAVE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE ON THOSE THAT ARE, UH, IN THE UNDER 62 TIER.

AND I KNOW WE HAVE ALSO, OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE IS AFFECTED BY THE, UH, GAS PRICES, BUT THOSE IN THAT TIER ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE AFFECTED EVEN MORE.

AND WE'VE DONE 2%.

NOT THAT THAT EVEN KEEPS PACE WITH CPI, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS IMPROVE THE TREND.

UH, AND THE MORE WE HAVE, WE LIKELY WOULD COME BACK, UH, IF WE CAN PROJECT OUT THAT WE WOULD HAVE A LARGER BALANCE, WE, WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY TRY TO DO MORE.

THIS IS, UH, TODD, PUT THIS TOGETHER, AND I KNOW THIS GETS INTO, UM, PROJECTIONS.

NOW THIS SLIDE, WHAT IT DOESN'T TELL YOU IS THAT YES, THINGS ARE TIED TO THE, UM, NOT FULLY TO THE CIP.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT 26, THERE'S 2.7 MILLION OF, OF, UH, CAPITAL AND CIP ITEMS. SO SOME ITEMS, AS YOU KNOW, ARE BEING FUNDED THROUGH, UH, BONDS.

THERE'S OTHER ITEMS IN TERMS OF, UH, EVEN WATER AND SEWER WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY, UH, DIGGING INTO.

WE'RE EITHER DOING THAT OR WE'RE MATCHING PROJECTS AS PART OF THE CIP.

SO SOME THINGS ARE COMING OUT OF THAT.

WHAT WOULD BE THE LARGER RESERVE AND THE SPEND RATE WILL, I THINK I GET TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

TH THIS WILL SHOW YOU, LET ME GO BACK.

SO YOU SEE THE 2.7 AND 27.

SO THEN BY THE TIME YOU GET TO 28, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL PROPOSED CIP PROJECTS THAT WOULD, WOULD HIT THE, UH, GENERAL FUND RESERVE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE EXCESS OVER RESERVE.

YOUR FLASHING LIGHTS REALLY START HITTING IN 2028.

NOW, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AND I DO BELIEVE THIS IS THE CASE, AND THERE ARE GONNA BE PEOPLE THAT SAY THAT ARE WATCHING THAT SAY, NO, THAT'S NEVER THE CASE WITH GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OUR HISTORIC, I MEAN, LET'S BE HONEST, LET'S GO BACK TO THIS.

WE WERE NOT PROVIDING EVEN CLOSE TO CPI ON INFLATION FOR YEARS.

SO YOUR, YOUR STAFF WAS NOT KEEPING PACE IF YOU WERE TRYING TO KEEP PACE JUST TO DO THAT, TO RETAIN PEOPLE.

AND AGAIN, IT WAS AFFECTING YOU IN RETENTION.

AND IT DOES COST YOU MORE IN TURNOVER, TYPICALLY.

NOW THERE'S SOME FOLKS ARE GONNA RETIRE ONCE IN A WHILE.

YOU GET A FEW BAD APPLES THAT JUST NEED TO GO.

UM, THOSE ARE ALWAYS FACTORED IN.

UH, BUT KIND OF LIKE IF THE, IF THE MAGIC NUMBER IS 15% IN PROFIT FOR A PUBLICLY TRADED ENTITIES IN A GIVEN YEAR, UH, OR EVEN MOM AND POP SHOPS, I THINK A 15% TURNOVER WOULD BE A, A GOOD TARGET THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO, THAT WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO.

AND I DON'T THINK YOU'LL GET THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT AFFECTS YOUR, UH, SOME OF YOUR LOWER AND MID-TIER EMPLOYEES.

IF THEY'RE, THEY HAVE A DRIVING DISTANCE OPTION AND SOMEONE ELSE IS DOING KEEPING PACE WITH CPI, AT SOME POINT THEY PROBABLY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE BUT TO JUMP SHIP.

CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT ONE POINT IN HERE? YES.

SO, UM, ONE THING WE DISCUSSED IN 24, UM, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS THE STEP PLAN, I THINK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS FINE, BUT THE STEP PLAN FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THEN IN 2025, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THAT.

'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE REALLY A, A DISCUSSION.

WELL, WE'VE, WE'VE, SO I I ALL, I'M JUST, LET ME, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.

WE, IF YOU LOOK,

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THE, AND I, I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE BRITTANY HERE TODAY, BUT THE STEP PLAN WAS PUT IN PLACE, UH, THAT Y'ALL HAVE BEFORE I ARRIVED THAT YEAR.

EARLIER THAT YEAR BEFORE ANY OF US WERE ON COUNSEL.

NOW, YOU MENTIONED PRIORITIES, CHALLENGES.

THE, SO YOU DO, WE DO HAVE A STEP.

IT'S PROBABLY NOT PERFECT, RIGHT? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALREADY ABOUT DOING SOME TWEAKS IN IT.

HOWEVER, WE DID ADDRESS IT.

IF YOU LOOK AT 24, 25, RIGHT? Y'ALL DID A, THAT IS THAT RAISED, YEAH, 24.

THAT WAS FOR THE WHOLE STEP, RIGHT? SO THE 7.7, IT DIDN'T DO LIKE A PARTIAL.

IT RAISED EVERYBODY IN THE DEPARTMENT BY THAT 7.7%.

RIGHT? IT WAS GREAT.

I THINK THAT WAS GREAT.

THANK, AND THEN, AND AGAIN, WE DID ADDRESS IT IN THIS, IN THIS LAST, UH, BUDGET AS WELL.

UM, THEY WERE BOTH SHOPS, AND Y'ALL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE DID THE THREE, Y'ALL GOT THE THREE OR THE 2.5 OR WHATEVER IT WAS.

WE STILL HAVE TO DO SOME SMOOTHING THAT WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

BUT THEY DID RECEIVE PD AND FIRE.

DID YOU KNOW WE HAVE THE 3% AND THE 2% THE OVER UNDER THAT WAS THAT DID THIRD STEP DID GO UP BY THAT? YEAH, NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE, IT'S, IT'S WONKY.

I MEAN, WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT THIS AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

SO I'M JUST HOPING IN THIS COMING BUDGET THAT WE CAN GET IT THE STEP PLAN, WELL, FOR THE POLICE, A LITTLE, UH, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE STRONGER ON THE, UM, WELL, THE, THIS IS ON THE HIGHER END AND THEN MAYBE EVEN TRIM IT A LITTLE BIT.

THE THE NUMBER OF STEPS.

I THINK THAT'S, WELL, THE, OR WHATEVER.

I MEAN, THE THING YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, IT'S, IT'S TIME.

HERE'S THE THING, AND KEEP THIS IN MIND.

IT'S TIME AND RANK.

RIGHT? AND IF YOU DON'T PROMOTE, MOST ARE DESIGNED, YOU STAY IN 25, RIGHT? I'M SORRY, YOU'RE GONNA TOP OUT IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU'RE NOT ASPIRATIONAL, UM, DON'T TAKE THAT WRONG.

BUT IF YOU JUST WANNA WORK PATROL FOR 25 YEARS, THAT'S RIGHT.

AND YOU DON'T WANT, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO TEST OR PROMOTE MOST, WELL, LET ME CLARIFY THIS.

MOST OF 'EM WILL CAP, LET ME CLARIFY THIS.

I DO THINK IT NEEDS ATTENTION, AND I'M HOPING YOU LOOK AT IT, BUT CAN YOU, NO, BUT CAN YOU, IN WHAT REGARD? NOW, WE, NOW, IN TERMS OF THE ENTIRE STEP YES.

THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE.

NOW, THAT BEING SAID, TO DO THAT, WE'RE ALSO GONNA NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER REVENUE SOURCES.

AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN GOING AND SLASHING YOUR CIVILIANS EITHER.

YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA, AND SO, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A LARGER REVENUE DISCUSSION ABOUT OTHER REVENUES THAT ARE RE LOCALLY OR REGIONALLY AVAILABLE.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE REVENUE BEFORE YOU CAN DO ANYTHING, PERIOD.

YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T CHASE, AND I'M GONNA SAY, I'M, I'M GONNA SAY AGAIN, YOU GOT 1 CENT OF THAT SALES TAX THAT OUR, THAT'S OUR REVENUE THAT'S GOING TO THAT DEAD GUM HOSPITAL DISTRICT.

YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S ABOUT 10, $12 MILLION A YEAR THAT'S GOING UP THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE WE GO AGAIN.

NOW, I, I I, I'LL SAY THIS, I WILL SAY THIS, A CITY I CAME FROM WAS A MEMBER OF A TRANSIT AUTHORITY.

IT HAD ONE PENNY AND IT ONE PENNY THAT YOU DON'T JUST LIKE US.

AND YES, THEY WERE A UNIONIZED SHOP ULTIMATELY, BUT SO WERE SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES IN THAT REGION.

ONE OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, HAD A COUPLE MAJOR EMPLOYERS THAT HAD BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.

THE DIFFERENCE IN SALES TAX TAKE AT THAT TIME WAS ABOUT 11 MILLION VERSUS LIKE 110 MILLION.

THAT DELTA, THERE WAS NO WAY TO CHASE THAT CITY.

ALTHOUGH IN THAT CASE, UH, THAT ASSO, ONE OF THE ASSOCIATIONS SAID, WE HAVE TO CHASE THEM EVERY YEAR.

YOU COULDN'T CHASE THEM ANY YEAR BECAUSE THEY HAD HAD A NET OF A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS MORE, UH, FOR A COMPARABLE SIZE CITY OF SALES TAX.

AND THAT WAS JUST SALES TAX.

AND EVEN IN THEIR CASE, IF YOU WOULD'VE HAD THE FULL TWO PENNIES, YOU STILL COULDN'T CHASE 'EM.

THEY WERE STILL FIVE, A FIVE TIME MULTIPLIER HEAD.

SO THAT IS WHERE THE APPLES AND ORANGES THING WERE.

WE CAN CHASE SOME, WE, WE PUT THE, UH, PEDAL DOWN PRETTY HARD.

THIS LAST ONE.

IF YOU LOOK AT AGAIN, 24, 25, AND WHEN WE GET TO, LET ME SEE, LET ME FIND THE, LET ME FIND THE SLIDE THAT HAS THE, SO, AND YOU'VE GOTTA REMEMBER, ONCE YOU DO THOSE RAISES, THOSE BECOME, THOSE ARE FOREVER, MEANING FOREVER, YOUR BUDGET IS GONNA BE THAT PERCENTAGE HIGHER MOVING FORWARD.

SO THAT, THAT MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE.

IF YOU LOOK AT 27 VERSUS 28 WHERE THAT EXCESS REVENUE, THEN YOU HAVE TO START MAKING SOME DECISIONS.

YOU CAN'T PROSECUTE, I HATE TO USE THE WORD PROSECUTE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PD.

YOU CAN'T PROSECUTE CAPITAL

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PROJECTS MORE.

YOU KINDA HAVE TO THEN STAND DOWN AND THEN AT A CERTAIN POINT, YOU THEN HIT YOU FLAT LINE.

SO PROBABLY 29, 30, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TOO AGGRESSIVE, WE'D START RUNNING OUT OF OPTIONS WHERE WE, WE WOULD THEN START MAYBE NOT ADDRESSING ADDITIONAL CAPITAL.

AND THEN ONCE THAT WAS THE, I HATE TO SAY THIS, THAT WAS A LOT OF WHAT THE HISTORIC MODEL HERE WAS, BUT THERE WAS ALSO, IT WAS NOT ADDRESSING YOUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, BUT ALSO NOT ADDRESSING YOUR COST OF DOING BUSINESS IN TERMS OF SALARIES AND OTHER BENEFITS.

BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, UH, YOU HAD A REVENUE PROBLEM COMPARED TO YOUR PEERS.

AND THIS IS THE ONE THING I'D LIKE TO DRIVE HOME, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS.

WE CAN'T BE COMPETITIVE WITH LONGVIEW AND TYLER AND LUFKIN OR EVEN THOSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRAS IF WE DON'T HAVE COMPARABLE REVENUE STREAMS. SO WE CAN THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, AT A POINT YOU START LOOKING AT PEERS LIKE, OKAY, WE CAN CHASE CROCKETT.

I MEAN, THERE, THERE STARTS BECOMING AT A POINT WHEN YOU, YOU FLATLINE.

SO AT SOME POINT IN THAT POINT, AND WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE NOT SEEING STAND ON THE BRAKES, BUT WE ARE SAYING, HECK, THERE'S SOME FLASHING LIGHTS AHEAD AND WE DID THIS, WE EVEN DID THIS PRIOR TO THE LAST BUDGET.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU FORECASTS OUT SO YOU HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO REACT.

NOW, UM, THERE ARE SOME ASSUMPTIONS IN HERE THAT AT LEAST VALUES WILL KEEP GOING UP TOO.

WHICH I THINK YOU EITHER HAVE, YOU EITHER HAVE THE THREE POINT HALF PERCENT GROWTH IN YOUR AVALOR, OR YOU RAISE TAXES.

IT'S, IT'S KIND OF, THAT'S KIND OF BAKED IN.

UM, WE THINK THAT THE AVALOR IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO INCREASE.

WE ALSO KNOW THAT WE'RE TRENDING ON THE SALES TAX.

NOW, IF WE'VE GOT A GREAT BIG TAXPAYER COME IN, WE ALSO HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ON HOW WE, IF WE DO HAVE TO INCENTIVIZE SOMEONE THAT THEY'RE NOT FLATLINED FOR, UH, THE EARLY YEARS THAT WE HAVE A NET BENEFIT FROM, SAY, SOMETHING THAT COMES TO TOWN THAT HAS A LOT OF EMPLOYERS THAT MAYBE ALSO GENERATES A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN, IN PD OR FIRE, HAVE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THEIR HEAVY TRUCKS OR SOMETHING.

SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT EVEN WHEN WE GET A WIN, IT COULD BE A, A SHORT TERM LOSS IN SOME WAYS IT'LL BE A WIN FOR EMPLOYMENT AND THEN BACK TO SALES TAX LOCALLY, POTENTIALLY.

BUT IF WE'RE MISSING ALL THE AVALOR, IT COULD ALSO BE A SHORT TERM DRAIN IN SOME CASES ON SOME OF OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE.

ESPECIALLY IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, LET'S SAY FIRE HAZARD OR SOMETHING KIND OF JUST INHERENT IN THE BUSINESS MODEL.

UM, OKAY, THIS IS WHERE THE BUDGET CALENDAR, THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS PROPOSED.

THIS IS, THAT'S WHY WE HAD IT IN HERE.

THAT'S WHY.

SO AGAIN, THE, THE ITEMS, THE FIRST FOUR ON THE LEFT, THOSE ARE ALL INTERNAL.

UM, AND THAT WOULD BE, SO WE COULD MEET, LET'S SAY THE COUNCIL WORKSHOP, UH, ON, IN JULY.

UH, THEN WE, OF COURSE WE HAVE THE CAD.

AND THEN WHEN YOU GO BACK OVER TO, UH, THE OTHER SIDE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LAYING OUT.

THIS IS, THIS IS EFFECTIVELY THE SAME THING WE DID LAST YEAR.

SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

THIS IS, THIS IS AN UPDATE FROM THE ONE THAT WE HAD ACTUALLY AT THE RETREAT.

AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE SHOWED Y'ALL AT THE RETREAT AS BUDGET PRIORITIES.

AND THIS IS, I'M KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO TELL YOU OR SHOW YOU ENGAGE YOU, TELL YOU AGAIN, AND THEN RE-ENGAGE YOU AS WE'RE HITTING MIDYEAR.

AND THEN AS WE'RE ALSO PLANNING INTO THE NEXT, UM, BUDGET CYCLE.

SO SEVERAL OF THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, YOU COULD TAKE THE FIRST BULLET.

I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE STABILIZED RETENTION.

UM, WE'VE RECRUITED MOST OF THE FOLKS THAT WE NEED ON LET'S SAY FINANCE.

AND THE, UM, ENGINEERING SIDE, BULLET TWO, UM, PD IS ALMOST FULL.

UH, FIRE IS RIBBING 'EM BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY TURNOVER.

THEY WANNA LEAVE, THEY NEVER HAVE HAD TURNOVER FOR.

AND THEN, UM, LET'S SEE, THEN IF YOU LOOK AT TALKING ABOUT GENERAL FUND UTILITY FUNDS, WE'RE PLANNING A, UH, WORKSHOP IN MAY TO GET INTO DEEPER INTO THE DETAILS.

THAT'S GONNA BE HELD OVER AT, UM, SORRY, THAT

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UM, IS, IS THAT ONE GONNA BE RECORDED? THE, THE MAY 12TH ONE? WELL, THAT'S A, THAT IS A, THAT WOULD BE AN OPEN HOUSE THAT THOSE TYPICALLY AREN'T RECORDED.

THE, UM, THE WORKSHOP, THE WORKSHOP SESSION WOULD BE OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.

JUST NOT LIVESTREAM.

IT'S JUST, YEAH, WE CAN'T LIVESTREAM OUT OF THAT BUILDING.

UM, ISN'T IT ALWAYS BETTER TO WATCH SOMETHING THAT'S TAPE DELAYED? SO YOU DON'T KNOW THE SCORE WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE DOES? I NEVER WATCH 'EM, BUT, UM, AND LET'S SEE.

AND OF COURSE, OKAY, IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH SFA, WE'VE, THEIR MASTER PLAN, WHAT WE'RE DOING ON NORTH, UM, WORKING WITH TDOT, THAT'S ALL WORKING IN TANDEM.

UH, THE OTHERS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL GOING AFTER PRIMARY JOBS.

MARY FRANCIS DOING A GREAT JOB ON THAT FRONT.

UH, AS IS THE REST OF STAFF AND PLANNING, DEVELOPMENT STAFF AND ENGINEERING, UH, THE HOUSING REALLY, I WOULD SAY THE, THAT WORKSHOP, I MEAN THE, UH, HOUSING, THE GAP ANALYSIS ON WHAT, WHAT IT SAYS WORKSHOP.

THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

UM, I GUESS YOU'VE, YOU'VE SUBMITTED ONE THING TO TEXT DOT ON, I MEAN, TO, UH, JLO ON THAT ONE.

AND SO WE'VE, THE COMP PLAN, UM, IN TERMS OF IF THE COMP PLAN DOESN'T GET FUNDED, WE STILL MIGHT WANT TO DO SOMETHING THROUGH THE TYPE B.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT MEANS, OH, IF IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE GAPS IN DIFFERENT, UH, RANGES OF HOUSING THAT WE SUBSIDIZE IT.

BUT WE MAY BE ABLE TO, TO USE THAT AS A, UH, AS A SEGUE INTO WITH BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS TO SAY, LOOK, WE'VE GOT PIN UP DEMAND IN THESE AREAS.

WE'VE ANALYZED IT.

HERE IT IS.

GO GO AND AND DO GOOD, UM, DOWNTOWN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

TALKED ABOUT THAT.

WE'RE GONNA BE COMING BACK TO Y'ALL WITH SOMETHING ON THAT.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, HIGHEST BEST USE OF CITY ASSETS AND THE RESERVE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH KIND OF SHOWN SOME OF THAT.

CAN, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT PAGE? JUST, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WERE, OUR PRIORITIES THAT HAVE BEEN LISTED, AND IT PROBABLY ISN'T A HUGE BUDGET ITEM, BUT I WOULD PREFER IF WE KEEP IT AS A PRIORITY AS OUR HISTORIC, OUR TOURISM, THE STONE FORT, THE CULTURAL BASE FOR, UM, HISTORY.

I THINK IT MAY FIT UNDER YOUR, UH, LEVERAGE CITY ASSETS OR SOMETHING.

BUT I THINK THAT SHOULD, AND IT, AND SOME OF IT FITS TO THE DOWNTOWN PLAN AND SOME OF IT FITS TO WORKING WITH SFA, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO, YOU KNOW, JUST ADD THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED.

'CAUSE SOME, I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT, BUT THEY'RE SMALL, WE MAY KIND OF FORGET ABOUT THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY SMALL AND THEY DON'T TAKE AS MUCH ATTENTION.

STAFF DOESN'T LET, LET US, AS MUCH AS WE TRY TO FORGET THAT'S WHAT OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT'S FOR, THEY, BUT WE WILL, WE, WE WILL, WE WILL ADD, WE CAN ADD THAT.

AND THEY WORK WITH WHATEVER THEY HAVE, WHATEVER MONEY THAT THEY HAVE.

WELL, LET ME CLARIFY.

THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY NOT EVEN MAKE IT UP TO THE LEVEL OF THE STAFF THAT, THAT ARE FROM, FOR EXAMPLE, HAVING, UM, AT LEAST ONE SITE OPEN ON SUNDAY.

UM, THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSED FOR, I KNOW FOR AT LEAST FIVE YEARS.

SO THEY MAY NOT MAKE IT UP TO THAT LEVEL.

THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IF WE CAN PUT THAT AS A, A PRIORITY, YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE THE REVENUE, KATHLEEN.

AND, OR MAYBE OR MAYBE NOT.

MAYBE IT CAN BE ADJUSTED.

WELL, NOBODY'S GONNA DO IT FREE.

WELL, LET ME, LET ME THROW ONE THING ON THAT FRONT.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO LOOK AT A SUN ON A SUNDAY, AND BELIEVE ME, I'M THE GUY THAT WOULD PREFER THE BLUE LAWS BEING BACK , UM, BELIEVE ME, FORCING PEOPLE TO, SOME PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BY THE WAY.

UH, IT WASN'T BLUE.

NOT BLUE LIGHT SPECIALS.

BUT I REMEMBER THOSE TOO.

UM, OH, SORRY.

SO, GOD, I MISSED THE OLD DAYS.

ANYWAY, IF YOU LOOK AT DOWNTOWN ON AN AFTERNOON, ON A SUNDAY AFTER CHURCH AND EVERYTHING, AFTER YOU GET SOMETHING TO EAT, THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT THAT'S OPEN.

AND I THINK THAT SOME OF THIS DISCUSSION PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE ALSO WITH MAIN STREET AND ALSO WITH THE CHAMBER.

UM, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE IF IT LET, LET'S SAY WE HAD EVEN THE VISITOR CENTER WAS, YOU KNOW, OPENED AT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND ONE OR TWO OF THE MAYBE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC SITES.

UM, IF WE PROBABLY NEED TO WORK TOGETHER IN A TEAM EFFORT TO HAVE THAT NET BENEFIT.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S BUS, THERE ARE BUSINESSES THAT AREN'T OPEN ON MONDAYS.

AND SO, I MEAN, I WAS MORE THINKING LIKE, ZION HILL IS A CHURCH AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE IT OPEN ON THE SUNDAY.

WELL, AND THEN I THINK, BUT I KNOW IT'S, THERE'S A GIVE AND TAKE, BUT MAYBE REALLOCATING RESOURCES TOO IS, IS PART OF THE ISSUE.

BUT AS LONG AS WE KNOW THIS IS A PRIORITY, OR EVEN SLIDING,

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UM, BUT THEY'RE OPEN FRIDAYS OR YOU KNOW, WEDNESDAY THROUGH SUNDAY OR SOMETHING, AND THEY'RE NOT OPEN MONDAY, TUESDAY, WHATEVER.

IT'S RIGHT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A CHICKEN AND AN EGG THING.

THE BUSINESSES CAN'T STAY OPEN 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH, UH, OTHER STUFF TO DO.

HISTORY.

AND I THINK, AGAIN, HISTORY, IT GOES BACK TO THE SFA LINK, RIGHT.

BECAUSE SURE DOES.

YOU SEE FOLKS, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT ALL YEAR, MAYBE IT'S, UH, DURING SCHOOL TIME MM-HMM .

BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN YOU, YOU'RE SEEING MUCH, RIGHT.

MORE, UH, ACTIVITY DOWNTOWN PEOPLE LOOKING FOR STUFF TO DO.

I THINK WE'RE ALL SEEING GOOD POINT.

BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT'S A LARGER CONVERSATION, BUT YOU MAY WANT TO PUT IT AS A SEPARATE THING.

SO WE JUST ATTEND TO IT.

I WAS GONNA SAY, BRING BACK THE BLUE.

NO, I DIDN'T DO THAT.

UM, I WON'T RUN THROUGH ALL OF THESE 'CAUSE Y'ALL PROBABLY ALREADY, RIGHT? I'M SURE EVERYBODY AT HOME'S TIRED OF HEARING ME TALK.

UM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I EVEN GET TIRED OF HEARING ME TALK AS CHAD YAS.

UH, WELL, THIS, THIS IS MUCH MORE THAN I ASKED FOR.

I JUST WANTED A DISCUSSION.

SO, , THANK YOU.

SO THESE ARE YOU.

I MEAN, THESE ARE, THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA.

THIS IS HIGHER LEVEL OF MM-HMM .

ALL THESE THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON, NOT THE THINGS WE'RE GOING AFTER MONEY ON, NOT THE LEGISLATIVE PIECES THAT WE'RE CHASING STILL.

UH, BUT IT'S MORE THAN NOTHING.

UM, THAT'S WHY SEVERAL OF US DON'T HAVE ANY HERE.

I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

UM, I KNOW WE CALL THIS OPERA, THIS IS REALLY SAID LIKE PLANNING PRIORITIES.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE, THIS IS AGAIN, HIGH LEVEL.

UM, SOME OF THESE THINGS WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, EITHER COMPLETED WE'RE COORDINATING WITH, UH, WE'RE PURSUING, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN PLAN, EVEN THOUGH IT IS, UH, THE PLAN IS, IS COMPLETE.

WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON SPECIFIC ITEMS WITHIN IT.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A MOU ON THE STONE FORT WITH SFA AND THEY'RE LEADING THAT CHARGE.

TXDOT IS WORKING ON 69.

WE'RE COORDINATING WITH THEM THE COMP PLAN.

WE'VE SUBMITTED THAT TO G-L-O-M-O-U WITH T ON NORTH.

UH, THEN YOU GET INTO THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WILL OVER TIME, UH, GET DEEPER INTO, UM, SOME OF WHICH ARE, ARE MORE IN, IN THE EARLY STAGES FOR NOT AS FLESHED OUT AS SOME OF THE THINGS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER UP.

AND THEN, GEE, LEGISLATIVE, WHAT'S THE NEXT PART? OH, DO YOU WANT TO, OH, DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO CLO? I GUESS YOU HAVE TO CLOSE THAT.

I, THERE WAS OTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THAT ITEM BEFORE.

DID Y'ALL WANT TO NO, I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY, VERY HELPFUL.

AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO GENERAL DISCUSSION, BUT THIS IS GREAT.

AND I, AND I THINK THIS IS REALLY HELPFUL TO HAVE THESE DOCUMENTS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN AND WHICH THEY WILL BE BECAUSE THEY'RE PART OF THE MEETING.

SO YOU'LL PROBABLY HEAR THAT ALL OVER AGAIN TOO, WHAT YOU HEARD TONIGHT.

WELL, REMEMBER, WE, ANYBODY TELL YOU, TELL YOU AGAIN AND THEN TELL YOU A THIRD TIME ANYBODY, SO WE REMEMBER.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? WE GOOD? OKAY.

I THINK WE'VE HAD OUR DISCUSSION.

ITEM SIX

[6.G. Hold a discussion regarding legislative priorities for the upcoming 90th Legislative Session. (City Manager)]

HOLD A DISCUSSION REGARDING LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES FOR THE UPCOMING 90TH LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

KATHLEEN, YOU PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA.

BOOM.

HOW'S THAT? SORRY.

OH, Y'ALL CAN'T, Y'ALL CAN SEE IT ON YOUR SCREEN.

SO, YOU KNOW, IN 25, KATHLEEN, YOU AND, OH, I'M, I'M ASKING FOR HIM TO GO AHEAD.

PASS ORDINANCES IN THAT REGARD.

YOU PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENT BEFORE YOU START, BEFORE YOU STARTED.

NO.

WELL, OKAY.

VERY HAPPY FOR YOU TO START RICK.

WELL, IN 25, I KNOW WE PLAYED A LOT OF DEFENSE.

UM, SOME OF THE THINGS IN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, UH, THANKS TO REPRESENTATIVE SCHAFFNER AND SENATOR NICHOLS ON, ON HELPING US WITH THAT.

SOME THINGS OBVIOUSLY, UH, DIDN'T THE SHOT CLOCK GET SHORTER? UH, DID DID IT SHORT.

THEY TRIED, YEAH, THEY TRIED TO SHORTEN IT.

I MEAN, THERE'S A POINT IN THERE WHERE YOU, IF YOU SHORTEN THINGS LIKE THE 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO POST A PUBLIC MEETING AND ACTUALLY HAVE A SHOT CLOCK.

YOU JUST RIGHT.

IT'LL BE A SHELL ISSUE.

UM, AND I'M SURE JERRY WILL SAY, THAT'S NOT HOW YOU SHOULD SAY IT, BUT CLOSE ENOUGH.

UM, AND THEN JUST IN TERMS OF LAND USE, THERE WERE SOME THINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE ALREADY MOVED FORWARD ON THE, UH, MANUFACTURED HOUSING PIECE AND ZONING.

WE'VE BEGUN THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SUBDIVISION.

SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS, SO WE'RE A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.

AND SO AT MINIMUM WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT THEY ALLOW US TO DO.

AND THEN THINGS THAT AREN'T ADDRESSED, Y'ALL CAN, CAN

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BUT, UM, THERE HAS BEEN KIND OF A TREND ON AT LEAST THE BILLS THAT WERE FILED TO, I GUESS GET FOR A BETTER WORD, MORE UNIFORMITY ACROSS TEXAS ON, UH, WHAT'S ALLOWED.

SO WE THINK KIND OF ROLLING INTO 26, THE EMPHASIS BACK ON LOCAL CONTROL BECAUSE AT A POINT, IF A FEW MORE OF THOSE BILLS WOULD'VE PASSED, THEN YOU CERTAINLY WON'T, YOU WON'T NEED A PLANNING DEPARTMENT , NICE WAY TO PUT IT.

UM, WE DO THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH, UM, OUR PARTNERS ON, 'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO ITEMS BEING AT LEAST RESOLVED IN TERMS OF, UH, THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT AND THEIR LEASE AND EVERYTHING WITH TENANT.

HOPEFULLY THAT, AT LEAST IN THIS SESSION AD ADDRESS, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROVISION.

MAYBE THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S ADDRESSED, UH, EVEN LONG TERM.

SO I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

SHOULD I STOP WHEN I HAVE THE QUESTION? I, YEAH, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SURE.

SO, UM, I HAD SEEN THESE IN OUR AUDIT REPORT AND, UM, THE 2026 PRIORITIES AND, UM, LISTED IN THERE.

AND SO I HAD QUESTIONS THEN.

SO I THOUGHT IT'S A GOOD TIME TO RAISE 'EM AHEAD, WELL AHEAD OF, OF WHEN WE'RE GONNA DO THIS.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROVISION NOW DISTRICT COUNTY DELEGATION.

SO RIGHT NOW THERE IS AN EXISTING PROVISION UNDER, UNDER ENABLING LEGISLATION THAT EFFECTIVELY WOULD ALLOW, I THINK BASED ON THE CURRENT PERCENTAGE OF, UH, SALES TAX, A VOLUNTARY, UH, AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT AND EITHER A TYPE B OR NED CO.

THIS CASE I'D SAY A TYPE B SINCE, SINCE IT'S BEEN FORMED, UH, I THINK THE MATH WOULD WORK OUT TO BE ABOUT 25,000.

NOW, IF THEIR REVENUE IS STABILIZED OR THEIR, THE VERY SILOS THAT THEY OPERATE IN.

AND LET'S, LET'S ASSUME AT WHAT POINT YOU'VE GOT BOTH BONDS MADE WHOLE AND ALSO ARE THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEIR DEBT AND ALSO THEIR INDIGENT CARE PIECE.

'CAUSE THOSE ARE THE, WITH THERE BEING RESIDUAL LEFTOVER, UM, IF THAT MULTIPLIER, THERE IS A MULTIPLIER IN THE FORMULA, IF THAT MULTIPLIER WERE TWEAKED, THAT WOULD GIVE, PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY THAT AT WHICH TIME, LET'S SAY THE CITY AND, UH, THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT, THAT IT WAS PRUDENT TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT.

UH, AND THEN WHAT WE WOULD DO UNDER THAT SCENARIO, OBVIOUSLY YOU'D TRY TO DIRECT THAT TO THE TYPE B.

YOU COULD DO THAT WITHOUT ACTUALLY GOING BACK OUT TO THE VOTERS BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE AN EXISTING PROVISION THAT AGAIN, THAT IF ALL THE PARTIES AGREED TO IT, YOU COULD CHANGE THE MULTIPLIER.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE, UM, WITH THE DISTRICT COUNTY DELEGATION, THAT IS IF ALL OF YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, WE WOULD, IN A PERFECT WORLD, YOU'D WANT EVERY EVERYBODY TO AGREE ON THE DIRECTION.

NOW AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE A VOLUNTARY, IT, IT, IT'S NOT A, AGAIN, IT WOULD NOT BE A SHALL ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT.

IT WOULD JUST BE WORKING TO TWEAK THE MULTIPLIER TO TAKE OFF THE ZERO ZERO ZEROS IN THERE, UH, BEHIND THE DECIMAL AND TAKE IT DOWN TO SOMETHING LIKE 0.25, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.

UH, I THINK THAT EFFECTIVELY IT MAY WORK OUT TO BE STRIKING LIKE HALF THE SENTENCE OF THE, THE CURRENT LEGISLATION THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

SO WHAT IF THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT DOESN'T AGREE WITH THAT, DOESN'T WANT THIS AGAIN, PROPOSED AGAIN, THEN, THEN IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A TYPE B THAT ISN'T, WELL, IT, IT, IT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN.

I MEAN, UH, IT, THE ARE ARE YOUR LEGISLATURES COULD, COULD STILL INTRODUCE THE BILL.

YEAH, THEY COULD IF THEY WANTED TO.

NO, I'M SAYING THIS IS FOR, THIS IS FOR Y'ALL TO DECIDE THAT Y'ALL WANT A RESOLUTION OR NOT.

NOW WHETHER OR NOT IT PASSES IN COMMITTEE AND, AND GETS TO THE, UH, TO THE FLOOR WOULD BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DEAL.

BUT, UH, IF, IF YOU HAD TWO PARTIES THAT THAT PASSED A RESOLUTION AND ONE THAT DIDN'T, THEY COULD STILL PRESENT A BILL IN DECEMBER.

WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST SUGGESTING THAT THIS IS ONE ALTERNATIVE WITHOUT, UH, WITHOUT ANY, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST YEAR OF REVENUE THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE IS GONNA BE ABOUT $20.1 MILLION.

SO MY QUESTION IS, IF THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT DOESN'T AGREE OR THEY THINK THIS IS A THREAT TO THEM, ARE YOU SAYING THIS WILL STILL BE OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY?

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TO TRY TO WORK WITH THEM HEADING INTO THE NEXT SESSION.

OTHERWISE, YOU GOT TWO MORE YEARS TO WAIT.

AND MY HAIR IS NOT GETTING ANY LESS GRAY ON MY FACE.

I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

WELL, AS LONG AS WE CAN CLARIFY THAT.

I MEAN, OTHERWISE WE COULD HAVE A VOTE OR SOMETHING.

BUT I I I, I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY KIND OF, UM, I DON'T QUITE KNOW THE WORD, BUT, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY THREATENING, BUT SO MANY, UH, STATEMENTS THAT I WOULD PREFER.

I DON'T REALLY WANT IT AS A LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY IF IT'S CONSIDERED A, AN ASSAULT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHY WOULD IT BE CONSIDERED AN ASSAULT? IT, IT'S A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX.

LET, LET'S AGAIN, LET ME JUST SAY THIS.

WE'RE THE ONLY ONES AROUND HERE THAT, THAT DON'T HAVE A FUNDED TYPE B.

RIGHT? SO WE ARE LUCK, LUCKILY GETTING A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF EMPLOYERS AND RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS.

HOWEVER, UM, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE PROBABLY AREN'T GETTING.

AND THEN AS WE GET THIS BUILT IN DEMAND, THERE ARE, WE DO HAVE COMPETITORS IN OUR REGION, UH, NORTH OF US AND SOUTH OF US, THAT IF IT MEANT SWEETENING THE POT TO LAND SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY MIGHT LIKE TO HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THE POT.

AND IT DOES GENERATE, AGAIN, IT WOULD GENERATE MORE REVENUE.

THE MORE SALES TAX WE ADD, IT DOES ADD MORE REVENUE TO THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT AS WELL.

SO, UM, THIS IS JUST PUTTING IT ON THE TABLE.

THIS IS, WE DIDN'T, WE HAD IT IN THE FALL, YOU KNOW, WE HAD IT IN LAST YEAR IN DISCUSSION.

WE HAVE IT IN HERE BECAUSE MM-HMM .

THIS IS NOT A, AN ASSAULT, THIS IS NOT ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS AN OPTION FOR Y'ALL TO CONSIDER, RIGHT? THAT'S ALL IT IS.

RIGHT? SO AS LONG AS WE'LL CONSIDER IT, BUT NOT, I'M BACK TO THIS.

I, I ACTUALLY MADE THE MOTION THAT WAS VOTED DOWN BEFORE, UM, THAT WE NEEDED TO BE WORKING THAT, THAT WE NEEDED TO BE WORKING WITH ALL THREE AND WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER ON THIS.

AND IF IT, IF WE'RE NOT TOGETHER, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO RETHINK WHETHER IT'S OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY.

THAT'S JUST MINE.

WELL, IT, IT, IT, WELL, IT'S A PRIORITY OF MINE.

WELL, WE CAN HAVE A VOTE ON IT WHETHER TO INCLUDE IT, RIGHT? WE CAN, WE, THAT'S WHAT WE USUALLY DO.

LEMME JUST SAY THIS INSTEAD OF DISCUSSION.

SO WE HAD, WE, WE HAVE THE DISTRICT ON THERE BY DESIGN, RIGHT? WE HAD THE DISTRICT ON THERE AS THE, WHAT WE WERE HOPING.

WHEN YOU GET GET 'EM TO TALK TO YOU, WHAT DO YOU DO? YOU KNOW? WELL, IS IS THAT THE CASE THAT THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT WON'T TALK TO YOU? OR, I MEAN, HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WELL LET, NO, LET ME JUST, LET ME JUST LEAVE, LEAVE IT AT THIS.

WE WE'RE NOT, WE HAVE NOT PUSHED THIS ISSUE FURTHER.

THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY WORKING ON THEIR LEASE WITH, UH, THE PRIVATE SECTOR MM-HMM .

AND TRYING TO STABILIZE EVERYTHING.

ONCE THAT IS PASSED, WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING IS, HEY, HERE'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S POTENTIALLY ON THE TABLE.

WOULD YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN SUPPORTING IT? AND THAT'S IT.

AND THEN WE CAN INCLUDE IT OR NOT INCLUDE IT OR RIGHT.

OR AT LEAST HAVE A VOTE ON IT.

WE CAN HAVE A VOTE ON IT.

HOWEVER, Y'ALL FINE WITH ME VOTE WILL BE FINE.

I DON'T KNOW IF, BUT WE CAN'T VOTE TONIGHT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ON THE, IT'D BE A RE IT'D BE A RE WE'VE DONE A RESOLUTION ON THIS LAST YEAR YEP.

OR YEAR BEFORE LAST.

YEP.

DID AND, AND IT, WE WAITED TOO LATE, UH, TO GET ANYTHING DONE BECAUSE THEY NEEDED THE BILL IN AUSTIN.

IN DECEMBER, WE DID A RESOLUTION.

Y'ALL, YOU VOTED IT DOWN.

YOU VOTED AGAINST THE KATHLEEN.

Y'ALL HAD, Y'ALL HAD ONE LAST YEAR.

I'M THROWING OUT HERE, AND THIS WOULD BE REALLY A DISCUSSION PROBABLY, UM, EVEN AT THE MAIN STREET LEVEL AND WITH OUR LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS, DOWNTOWN, MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IS NOT A HERS.

BUT, BUT THEIR, THEIR POSITION PROBABLY FINANCIALLY SHOULD BE STRONGER.

UM, THIS IS, THIS VOTE WOULD NOT BE ON THE RESOLUTION.

THIS WOULD BE WHETHER THIS IS OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY.

SO I THINK WE OUGHT TO, IF, IF ESTABLISH BY RESOLUTION.

PARDON? WELL, WE, WE, WE ESTABLISHED, WE, I'VE REQUESTED THAT WE BRING IT BACK TO A VOTE, BUT WE ESTABLISHED THE PRIORITIES BY RESOLUTION LAST YEAR IS WHAT WE, WELL, I'M REQUESTING THAT WE BRING IT BACK TO A VOTE, UM, WHETHER IT'S OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY, IF, BUT AFTER, WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME TIME TO TRY AND WORK IT OUT TOGETHER.

PLEASE DO.

YOU GOTTA REMEMBER, YOU, YOU ALSO ARE GONNA HAVE A CHANGING OF THE GUARD OF THE COUNTY.

AND SO THERE'S SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT HAVE NOT, YOU'VE GOT A DIFFERENT PARADIGM RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

YOU'VE GOT THAT.

YOU'VE GOT, UM, THEIR FORECAST ON WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, WHICH UNTIL THEIR LEASE IS COMPLETE, I DON'T EVEN THINK THERE'S ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT MULTIPLIER, UH, COULD BE TWEAKED TO NEAR TERM OR LONG TERM OR MM-HMM .

ANY OF THE ABOVE.

GREAT.

SO THE LAST ONE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING

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IT'S NOT A TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE.

IT DOES HAVE, UH, A LOT OF CAPABILITIES AS A POLITICAL, IT'S A, IT'S ANOTHER, UH, UH, IT CAN BE A GRANTEE, IT CAN ACCEPT GRANTS.

IT'S A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE.

FROM WHAT I REMEMBER UNDER ENABLING LEGISLATION.

IT HAS TO, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, OF THE HEARINGS AT THE LEGISLATURE, UH, USUALLY AT THE REQUEST OF A MUNICIPALITY.

AND WHAT IT DOES, DO IT EFFECTIVELY LETS THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS, IF I THINK YOU HAVE 70% AGREE TO IT, UM, ASSESS THEMSELVES.

SO IT'S A LONG-TERM ASSESSMENT THAT, THAT, THAT CAN BE UTILIZED WITHIN THAT DISTRICT, UM, FOR MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS.

IT, IT MAY EVEN BE ABLE TO HELP WITH, UH, O AND M FOR A PARKING GARAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

IT'S, UH, IT IS A TOOL THAT IF YOU, IF YOU, LET'S USE HOUSTON AS AN EXAMPLE.

A LOT OF THE AREAS OF HOUSTON THAT YOU WOULD SAY ARE BETTER WELL KEPT, UH, SPECIAL DISTRICTS ARE USUALLY IN PLACE.

UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LOOK AT SOME OUT AS FAR, I THINK THE WOODLANDS, BUT YOU CAN ALSO LOOK ALL THE WAY DOWN IN TOWN LIKE UPPER KIRBY AND UPTOWN HOUSTON, WHERE THE GALLERY IS IN THOSE AREAS.

AND THEN TYPICALLY, ONCE YOU CROSS OUT OF THEM, YOU ALSO SEE WHERE THE DISTRICTS AREN'T, WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT DOING GRAFFITI ABATEMENT.

THEY'RE NOT DOING SEASONAL PLANNINGS.

THEY'RE NOT PUTTING IN A DA RAMPS.

THEY'RE NOT EMPTYING TRASH CANS.

SINCE WE HAVE, THIS WOULD BE KIND OF A NEXT STEP ALSO ON THE HEELS OF, UH, THE DISCUSSIONS ON THE DOWNTOWN GARAGE AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, FOR DOWNTOWN HIGHEST TO BEST USE.

UH, SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.

AND WE CAN BRING MORE INFORMATION TO Y'ALL WHEN YOU AS WELL, WHEN YOU BRING INFORMATION.

UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW IT'LL AFFECT, UM, SMALL BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, WILL THEY HAVE EXTRA TAXES THEY'LL HAVE TO PAY? WELL, AGAIN, THE OWNERS, THE OWNERS ARE THE ONES THAT PAY IT, HOW THEY PASS THAT THROUGH.

BUT IF THE OWNERS WERE TO DESIRE THAT, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE GOING UP ON THAT RENT AND THEY'RE GONNA WANT, UH, EVERYTHING TO BE KEPT NICER ANYWAY.

THIS IS A WAY FOR THEM TO KIND OF HAVE A, A VOICE IN THE, IN THE MATTER.

WELL, IN TERMS OF KE OF WORKING TOGETHER TO MAINTAIN A HIGHER QUALITY OF, UH, MAINTENANCE FOR DOWNTOWN.

CAN, CAN YOU BRING BACK SOME DATA ON THAT? I'M THINKING OF LIKE THE SMALL RESTAURANTS, THEY OWN THEIR OWN BUSINESS.

THEY OWN THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

THE SMALL HAIRDRESSERS, THE SMALL, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY, I DON'T THINK THEY CAN CHARGE MORE.

UM, NO, I, I BELIEVE IT'S THE LEGISLATION'S ABOUT SEVEN.

I BELIEVE IT TAKES ABOUT 70% OF THE, UH, WITHIN, AND JERRY'S NODDING, I'VE, I'VE FORGOTTEN THESE THINGS FROM 25 YEARS AGO.

BUT 70% OF THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THAT, UH, A GIVEN BOUNDARY WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE IT OF PROPERTY OWNERS.

SO IF, IF 70, THE PROPERTY OWNERS, IF 70% OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS APPROVED IT, THEN A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD HAVE TO PAY THIS TAX.

IS THAT BELIEVE SO? CORRECT.

BELIEVE.

CORRECT.

SO ANYWAYS, IF YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT THAT'S, AND BRING BACK MORE INFORMATION ABOUT, I MEAN, ARE WE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THESE PEOPLE OUTTA BUSINESS RIGHT NOW? I'M, I'M JUST THINKING OF, YOU KNOW, STONE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT BAKERY.

I'M THINKING OF, UM, WELL, I'M THINKING AT THE SAME TIME DIFFERENT.

YOU'VE GOT MAJOR EMPLOYERS COMING DOWNTOWN.

WHO KNOWS? WE'LL PUT, WE'RE GONNA, FIRST THING WE'RE GONNA DO IS PUT JOHNSON FURNITURE OUT OF BUSINESS.

IN THE TOOLBOX, UH, TO BRING TO THE TABLE? AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO WITH IT.

UM, THE, UH, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT EVEN SMALLER, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT, AND, AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A HIGHER LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE AT THE SAME TIME YOU HAVE A HIGHER AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.

SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, AGAIN, JUST CONSIDER IT.

DO YOU WANT IT TO BE BETTER THAN IT HAS BEEN IN PAST YEARS? I MEAN, EVERYTHING FROM, UH, ADDITIONAL BENCHES AND PLANTINGS.

UM, AGAIN, A DA RAMPS, MAYBE IT'S MAY, MAYBE IT'S, UH, YOU LOOK AT THE GARAGE PROJECT, YOU'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE SOME OF THOSE THAT DON'T HAVE ANY DEDICATED PARKING THAT WILL ACTUALLY, THERE WILL BE MORE PARKING IN DOWNTOWN.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

UH, RELATIVE TO WHAT IT IS TODAY, LONG TERM, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE OPTION FOR ALL OF THOSE THAT BENEFIT.

SO THEY WOULD ALL BENEFIT WITHIN THAT DISTRICT, THEORETICALLY, IF YOU HAD ANOTHER A HUNDRED PARKING SPACES DOWNTOWN.

SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE, DO YOU WANT THAT MAINTENANCE TO COME OUT OF O AND M OF, UH, GENERAL FUND, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER TOOL

[01:45:01]

UM, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE, UM, WHAT IS ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES WORKING WITH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, FOR A MUSEUM, FOR FATHER MA HILL? FOR THE, WELL, WE WORKED, WE WORKED WITH THEM IN THE LAST SESSION.

UM, ARE WE GONNA GO BACK AGAIN? WE WEREN'T NOT PLANNING TO, TO PURSUE THAT AS WELL.

UH, WE ALL, WE AL ALSO ARE LOOKING AT WHAT HAPPENS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE, WE WANT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE ALL OF THE RESULTS.

WE PROBABLY WILL HAVE THEM, UH, FOR THE STONE FORT.

BUT I THINK WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE STONE FORT AND THE SFA SITE SELECTION PROCESS WOULD ALSO BE FED INTO THIS ONCE WE KNOW WHERE THAT WOULD GO.

SO, SO THEN WE'RE GONNA FINALIZE THESE PRIORITIES AT SOME POINT AND VOTE ON THEM OR DO SOME WE, WE DID IT LAST TIME, UH, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER.

BY RESOLUTION.

BY RESOLUTION, YEAH.

AND WE WOULD, SO ONCE THE STONE FORT, YOU KNOW, IF IT LANDS DOWNTOWN AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, IF THERE'S A NEXUS BACK TO A VISITOR CENTER THAT THE STATE WOULD, WOULD ALSO FUND AND FATHER MAR HILL, AND ALSO EVEN THE, UM, CAMINO REAL IN GENERAL MM-HMM .

UM, THOSE ARE PROBABLY SEVERAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES IN THERE THAT MAY NEED SOME, UH, LONG-TERM TWEAKING OF LEGISLATION TO HELP FUND.

SO THAT COULD GO INTO THE BOX TOO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS WAS REALLY HELPFUL TO ME AND I THINK CLARIFIED SOME ITEMS AND, UH, I, I APPRECIATE YOU DOING IT.

SOMEONE ELSE WANNA TAKE A STRIKE AT THE HUMAN PINATA? I HOPE I WASN'T STRIKING YOU.

OH, NO, NO.

I LOVE, I LOVE NACHOS, SO I'M OBVIOUSLY HUNGRY, SO I'M THINKING ABOUT PINATAS.

UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSION.

CORRECT.

CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.071, WE WILL ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

THAT CONCLUDES THE KNIGHT'S REGULAR MEETING.

UH, PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT

[7. EXECUTIVE SESSION: Executive Sessions are for City Council to receive information and deliberate on matters specified in Subchapter D of the Texas Open Meetings Act. Council may reconvene in open session to vote on the matter.]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'RE RETURNING FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 8 0 5.

UM, PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 3 5 5 1 0.071, UH, NO ACTION TAKEN.

THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

AND GOD BLESS THE GREAT CITY OF NACODOCHES, TEXAS.

THANK YOU FOR COMING UP.