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[1. CALL TO ORDER.]
ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE.LIBERTY, LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL UNDER FLAG, BE SAY UNDER GOD ONE INDIVISIBLE.
[3.A. Consider zoning district options and related ordinance amendments for HUD-code manufactured housing.]
START THE WORK SESSION.AND, UH, UH, ITEMS YOU GIVEN ON THIS WORK SESSION ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CITY COUNCIL TO STUDY AND DISCUSS VARIOUS ISSUES AND GATHER AND ANALYZE INFORMATION.
COUNSEL WILL NOT TAKE ANY FORMAL ACTION ON MATTERS PRESENTED AT A WORK SESSION, BUT MAKE DIRECT STAFF TO PLACE ITEMS RELATED TO THE MATTER ON FUTURE AGENDAS FOR FORMAL CONSIDERATION, THIS WOULD BE, UH, MURALS.
UM, SO MURALS HAS BEEN, UM, A PROJECT THAT THE MAIN STREET BOARD HAS BEEN INTERESTED IN FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.
UM, THE MAIN STREET ADVISORY BOARD DID GIVE DIRECTION TO TORI ONCE SHE WAS HIRED AS OUR MAIN STREET MANAGER TO MAKE MURALS.
ONE OF THE PROJECTS THEY'RE WORKING ON, UM, AND MAIN STREET HAS OUR DESIGN COMMITTEE, SO THAT KIND OF FELL IN THEIR LAB.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SOME THINGS ON THE STAFF BACK END.
WE'VE HAD A GREAT DESIGN COMMITTEE THAT'S BEEN VERY EXCITED AND GOING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, HAVING SEVERAL DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS WITH DIFFERENT GROUPS, UM, DOING RESEARCH WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES AND HOW THEY DO MURALS.
UM, AND SO STAFF HAS PREPARED TODAY A PROPOSED MURAL PROCEDURE THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET THAT WE'LL GO OVER LATER.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT LYNN MEYERS, WHO'S OUR, UM, ACTING MAIN STREET BOARD CHAIRMAN, AND ALSO ON THE DESIGN COMMITTEE HAS COME UP WITH.
AND THEN I BELIEVE, UH, COUNCILMAN BALLER ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION, SO WE'LL LET THEM GO OVER IT AND THEN KIND OF COME BACK TO THE PROCEDURE AND KINDA SEE ONCE WE ALL AGREE ON EVERYTHING, HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND LYNN, YOU HAVE THAT CLICKER RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.
THAT SHOULD GO THROUGH YOUR POWERPOINT.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, WHAT WE WANT THE MURALS TO DO IS TO DEPICT THE HISTORY OF OSHAS AND WHAT WE LOVE ABOUT THE CITY.
AND I WANNA POINT OUT SOME KEY WORDS IN HERE, CAREFULLY CURATED MURALS.
WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE JUST A MISHMASH OF DIFFERENT ART STYLES, DIFFERENT STORIES.
WELL, WE DO WANT DIFFERENT STORIES, BUT WE WANT TO SOMEHOW HAVE CONTINUITY AND TO LOOK LIKE IT FLOWS TOGETHER.
LIKE THERE WAS SOME THOUGHT PUT BEHIND ALL OF THIS TO TELL THE STORY OF JUNIOUS, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN IN CITIES WHERE THEY HAVE A LOT OF MURALS AND THEY'RE ALL SORT OF COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER.
AND IT'S ALMOST WHAT I CALL VISUAL BLIGHT.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN BECAUSE THESE MURALS ARE ALL GOING TO BE IN HISTORIC DOWNTOWN.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE SO MANY AND SOME, SO MUCH COMPETITION BETWEEN THE, THE COLORS AND THE STYLES AND EVERYTHING THAT IT'S OVERWHELMING AND UNATTRACTIVE.
SO WHAT WE'RE THINKING IS THAT THESE MURALS WOULD BE KIND OF LIKE A STORYBOOK WHERE EACH PAGE TELLS A CHAPTER OF THE HISTORY OF MACS AND, UM, THAT EACH PAGE WOULD BE UPLIFTING AND EDUCATIONAL AND WELCOMING TO VISITORS AS WELL AS PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.
WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE TODAY IN THIS PRESENTATION IS JUST SOME PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WE'VE PULLED FROM DIFFERENT PLACES JUST TO GIVE YOU IDEAS OF THE KINDS OF THEMES THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT.
THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT IS SET IN CONCRETE.
THESE, WE JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR ALL OF YOU TO SEE SOME VISUALS THAT WOULD HELP TO EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE THINKING OF.
BUT BY NO MEANS THIS IS NOT THE FINAL
SO, UM, WE'RE CALLING THIS LITTLE EFFORT BRUSHING UP MAC AND IT IS A MAIN STREET INITIATIVE.
WHAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO, RIGHT? CLICK THIS ONE.
LEMME MAKE SURE IT'S TURNED ON, ON THE SIDE.
SO I JUST KIND OF THREW THIS IN.
IT'S A POSTER, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE SHE TOOK, UH, AN OLD PHOTOGRAPH AND DID A, UH, ARTISTIC RENDERING
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OF IT.AND I, I JUST WANTED YOU TO SEE THAT THESE, THESE ARE KINDS OF THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT I HAVE IN THE BACK OF MY MIND WHERE IT IS SEMI REALISTIC, BUT IT'S DONE IN AN ARTISTIC AND, UM, INTERESTING WAY.
SO WE'VE WALKED AROUND TOWN AND WE HAVE COME UP WITH ABOUT 12 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THAT WE THINK COULD HOST A MURAL.
NOT ALL OF THESE WILL PAN OUT, UM, OR QUITE A NUMBER OF THEM WHERE WE HAVE NOT YET TALKED TO THE OWNERS.
THERE'S ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT, UH, IS PENDING H-P-L-H-P-C-H-L-P-C,
UM, BECAUSE AFTER THE, UH, STUCCO IS REMOVED, IT, THE BRICK MAY BE IN THE, AN OLD CONDITION AND WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
SO THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA SAY ABOUT THAT.
AND WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY.
SO I THINK THIS MAY BE AN OLD GRAPHIC OF WHAT'S CONSIDERED DOWNTOWN, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE ONES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN A PLACEMENT OF THEM.
THE ONES WITH THE STARS ARE WHERE THE, UH, OWNERS HAVE ALREADY SAID.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE A MURAL THERE.
AND THE RED DOTS ARE WHERE IT'S STILL UP IN THE AIR.
I THREW THIS ONE IN AS A BONUS.
I MEAN, WE CALL IT THAT, BUT IT IS, UM, IT'S LIKE A BILLBOARD.
I MEAN, IT'S ADVERTISING OF COCA-COLA, BUT THE REASON I WANTED TO SHOW IT IS THAT, UM, THIS MURAL WE ALL LOVE, UM, AND IT CERTAINLY APPEARS IN A LOT OF PUBLICITY FOR OSIS, BUT IT'S, UH, FADING AND IT'S PEELING AND IT NEEDS TO BE REFRESHED.
SO A BRANDON'S BRANDON HERE, HE'S RUNNING.
I'LL LEAN BACK WITH YOUR NEW HAIR.
UM, BRANDON ACTUALLY WENT TO THE DISTRIBUTOR OF COCA-COLA AND GOT THEM TO AGREE TO PAY FOR THE REFRESHMENT OF THIS PARTICULAR MURAL.
AND SO THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA START AS SOON AS THE WEATHER COOLS OFF.
UM, DIXIE IS GOING TO BE DOING IT.
AND THAT IS REALLY, UH, AN INTERESTING FACT BECAUSE HER FATHER WAS THE ONE WHO DID THE ORIGINAL MURAL.
SO WE'RE KEEPING IT IN THE FAMILY.
THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR WOULD BE A PLAQUE.
EACH ONE OF THE MURALS WILL HAVE A SMALL PLAQUE, AND ON THE PLAQUE IT WILL HAVE THE NAME OF THE ARTIST AND THE NAME OF ALL THE DONORS FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.
UH, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE IMPACT STORE ON, UH,
WE HAD TALKED TO THE, UH, LADY THAT RUNS THE IMPACT STORE.
SHE TALKED TO THE OWNER AND THEY AGREED THAT WE COULD DO SOMETHING.
SHE WANTED IT TO, UH, BE RELATED TO CHILDREN BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT BUSINESS, BUT THEY'RE GOING OUT OF BUSINESS.
UM, SHE HAS SOME, SOME HEALTH ISSUES.
SO THEY'RE CLOSING OCTOBER THE 24TH.
SO NOW WE'LL NEED TO, UH, RENEGOTIATE WITH THE OWNER.
WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO HE'S GONNA PUT IN THERE, BUT, UM, WE THOUGHT THIS MIGHT BE A GREAT LOCATION FOR, UH, OUR AFRICAN AMERICAN IDEA.
AND IN MEETING WITH, UH, A GROUP OF AFRICAN AMERICANS WHO HAVE GIVEN US, UH, CONCEPTS AND, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT WE MIGHT PUT ON THE MURAL, THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT, UH, WHO THEY CONSIDER E 30, UM, PIONEERS.
AND THESE ARE ALL PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED IN EDUCATION, PROBABLY THE MINISTRY IN CIVIL RIGHTS.
I MEAN, IT'S A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT, THAT WE ALL ADMIRE.
AND SO WHY NOT, YOU KNOW, PUT THEM UP THERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IF WE WOULD DO A HEADLINE, BUT I MEAN, I JUST KIND OF THREW THIS TOGETHER.
THIS IS ACTUALLY PART OF A MURAL THAT WAS IN, UM, I BELIEVE NORTH CAROLINA, BUT I WANTED TO PUT IT ON THERE JUST SO YOU WOULD HAVE A VISUAL IDEA OF WHAT WE, THANK YOU.
OKAY, THIS IS THE BARUM BUILDING, WHICH IS SORT OF KITTY CORNER TO THE BREWERY.
UH, GEORGE BARUM, I TALKED TO HIM WELL OVER A YEAR AGO, AND
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HE'S VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF HAVING A MURAL ON THERE.UM, BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF IN THE AREA WHERE WE HAVE THE BREWERY AND, AND, UH, SOME, UH, SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS, WE THOUGHT MAYBE, UM, HIGHLIGHTING DINING, SHOPPING, PLAYING EVEN THE HOTEL, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AN ENTERTAINMENT THEME.
SO I JUST WENT THROUGH WHAT WE HAVE AND I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TONS OF OLD PHOTOGRAPHS OF OLD SHOPS.
AND, UH, WE IN THE MIDDLE, IT WAS THE VERY FIRST FOOD TRUCK THAT WAS IN NACODOCHES.
IT'S, UH, WILL RIS FIRST FOOD TRUCK, HOT TAMALES.
WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE FUN TO HAVE IN THERE.
UM, I THREW IN A PHOTO OF A GUY WHO'S PLAYING TWO SAXOPHONES AT ONCE.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO THROUGH ALL THE OLD PHOTOGRAPHS AND FIND IMAGES THAT WE WANT TO PORTRAY, BUT THEN OF COURSE IT WILL BE UP TO THE ARTIST TO RENDER IT.
I MEAN, IT, IT MIGHT BE RENDERED AS THOUGH IT'S A, A STREET WITH THE SHOPS AND THINGS ALL ALONG THE STREET.
BUT THAT JUST WILL GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING FOR THAT PARTICULAR CALL.
AND THAT, BY THE WAY, IS A HUGE, WELL MM-HMM
WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO, UH, JOHNNY SLOAN YET ABOUT THIS.
THAT'S, UH, THE WALL WHERE, UH, UH, CABO JACKS IS OR WAS.
AND BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ONE OF THE VERY FIRST MURALS YOU'D SEE COMING FROM THE EAST.
UM, AND BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A MEXICAN RESTAURANT IN THERE, WE THOUGHT, OKAY, WHY NOT? YOU KNOW, KIND OF LEAN INTO EL CAMINO REAL, IT'S RIGHT ON EL CAMINO REAL.
AND A POTENTIAL THEME WOULD BE THE EARLY SPANISH EXPLORERS.
MAY, THAT MAY NOT HAPPEN, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'D BE KIND OF FUN TO HIGHLIGHT THE EARLY SPANISH.
THIS IS, UH, JOHNSON FURNITURE WALL.
IT'S THE ONE THAT HAS THE MURAL ON IT NOW, UH, WHICH IS, UH, FADING AND PEELING.
UM, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE AN IDEAL WALL TO HAVE SOME KIND OF WELCOME TO HISTORIC DOWNTOWN OSIS.
IT'S KIND OF A, WHAT DO I WANNA SAY? A CORNERSTONE GETTING INTO HISTORIC DOWNTOWN AND MAYBE THROW IN THE FLAGS, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHTING OUR ILLUSTRIOUS HISTORY.
THIS ONE IS, UH, ACROSS MAIN STREET.
SO THIS IS JOHNSON FURNITURE ON THE, UM, FACING NORTH PA NO, FACING WEST ON NORTH STREET.
UM, AND THIS ONE HAS, UH, A TREE OR TWO IN FRONT OF IT, AND IT HAS SOME VEGETATION AND THERE'S ALSO A SCULPTURE THERE.
SO WE THOUGHT MAYBE THIS WOULD BE, UH, AN IDEAL LOCATION TO HIGHLIGHT THE GARDEN CAPITAL OF TEXAS AND, UH, DO SOME KIND OF FLORAL, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THOSE TREES, BUT SOME KIND OF FLORAL ARRANGEMENT WITH, UM, ALL, YOU KNOW, FLOWERS THAT ARE KNOWN TO GROW IN THIS AREA.
AND THAT OSH IS A FAMOUS FOR, UM, THIS ONE, I BELIEVE RANDY HAD STARTED TALKING TO DIXIE ABOUT DOING SOME WORK ON.
SO WE MAY HAVE HER DO THIS MURAL, OR WE JUST MAY TAKE IT OUT TO BID AND SEE WHAT WE COME UP WITH.
UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF GARDEN CLUBS IN AOSIS AND, UM, I'VE REALLY REACHED OUT TO THE ONE I COME TO AND I THINK THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS.
NOT THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT THEY WOULD CERTAINLY, UM, HELP US.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET DONATIONS FROM PAINTING STORES OR WHATEVER.
WE'LL HIT UP ANYBODY, ANYONE WHO'S COOK AND FOG A MIRROR.
SO NEXT IS THE, UM, THE CLAIM BUILDING.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE SAID WE'RE NOT SURE WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT A MURAL ON 'CAUSE OF THE BRICK, BUT IF WE ARE ABLE TO, WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FUN TO DO IS A SERIES OF, UM, KIND OF LIKE POSTCARDS AND COVER SOME OF THE BRAGGING RIGHTS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN OSIS.
UH, LIKE THE FIRST BOIL WELL IS, UH, IN OSIS COUNTY.
AND THE, YOU KNOW, STONE FORD IS PROBABLY THE FIRST SUBSTANTIAL BUILDING THE UNIVERSITY.
SO THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF THINGS WE CAN PUT ON THERE.
AND FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ME AT ANY TIME.
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ALRIGHT.THIS IS THE WALL OF, ON THE SIDE OF THE, UH, OLD OPERA HOUSE OR THE ART GALLERY.
WE HAVE NOT YET TALKED TO THE UNIVERSITY ABOUT THIS BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES WITH THE UNIVERSITY AND KIND OF UNKNOWN AS TO WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO WITH THAT BUILDING.
BUT WE ALL KNOW THE STORY ABOUT THE MARX BROTHERS AND THE MULE THAT INTERRUPTED THEIR, UM, THEIR ACT.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE REALLY A FUN VISUAL THING TO PUT ON THERE.
HERE WE ARE, ANOTHER JOHNSON WALL
SO THIS IS THE WALL THAT FACES SOUTH, SO IT'S JUST AROUND THE CORNER FROM THE EXISTING MURAL THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE WHILE AGO.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT HAS ALL THE LOGOS ON IT.
AND, UM, WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD, MIGHT, MIGHT BE A, UH, IDEAL LOCATION TO DO SOMETHING ON THE CATOS.
AND, UH, WE HAVE ALREADY TALKED TO A, A CADO ARTIST WHO'S VERY INTERESTED.
UM, HE EVEN PROPOSED, UH, KIND OF DEPICTING A CADO STORY ABOUT HOW THE FLOOD CAME AND THE CAS HAD TO MOVE THEIR HUTS TO HIGHER GROUND.
UM, AND THAT THEY HAD SOME KIND OF ALLIGATOR, WHATEVER THAT
SO IT WOULD BE COLORFUL, BUT IT WOULD ALSO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF CATTLE LIFE.
UM, SO I'M KIND OF EXCITED ABOUT THAT ONE, IF THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD.
HE PROBABLY WOULD BE ABLE TO START RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
HE'S, UM, ELISA TURNED ME ON TO HIM AND HE'S, HE'S VERY FAMOUS.
HE'S GOT HIS WORK IN MUSEUMS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
THERE IS, UH, JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM THE METHODIST CHURCH IS THEIR ADMIN BUILDING.
UM, AND WERE YOU ABLE TO TALK TO YEAH, I SPOKE WITH THE ASSISTANT, UH, MINISTER.
SHE SAID SHE'S GOING TO BRING THE IDEA BEFORE THE BOARD AND GET BACK WITH ME.
I LEFT HER CARD, SO SHE'S GONNA BE, UH, TALKING TO THE BOARD ABOUT IT AND SEEING IF THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WOULD, UH, WOULD LIKE TO DO.
IT'S A FAIRLY GOOD SIZED WALL.
AND IT'S RIGHT THERE ALONG NORTH STREET.
SO WE THOUGHT MAYBE, UH, WE COULD DO A MONTAGE OF SOME OF THE EARLY CHURCHES AND STEEPLES AND THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS, BUT SEVERAL CHURCHES IN CHES ARE THE VERY FIRST CHURCH IN TEXAS.
REALLY? DID YOU KNOW THAT? NO, NO.
I WAS JUST SHOCKED THAT CAME UP IN OUR, WHEN WE WERE INTERVIEWING FOR PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO SERVE ON THE DIFFERENT BOARD.
SO I THINK, HOW MANY DID WE, FOUR OR FIVE THAT WERE THE FIRST FIRST OF THEIR DENOMINATION.
IN THE WHOLE, IN THE WHOLE, IN THE WHOLE STATE.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, I JUST THOUGHT THAT'S GREAT.
SO, BUT THAT WOULD HELP US TO CHOOSE WHAT OH YEAH.
UM, THIS IS THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE LANDMARK BUILDING AND UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT HERE WAS MAYBE SHOWING DIFFERENT FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT ARE HEADED INTO THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE.
'CAUSE THAT, AND WE MIGHT EVEN, YOU KNOW, TRY TO DEPICT WHAT THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE LOOKED LIKE.
'CAUSE WE HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT SHOW IT WAS ONE HECK OF A BUSY PLACE.
AND IT WAS QUITE THE CENTER OF COMMERCE.
EVEN IN THE SIXTIES AND THE LATE FIFTIES.
THIS IS THE COUNTY ANNEX BUILDING.
SO I GUESS THIS WOULD BE THE VERY FIRST FALL YOU WOULD SEE IF YOU WERE COMING FROM THE WEST 2021.
OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD NEED TO GET COUNTY APPROVAL TO DO ANYTHING.
UM, BUT WE THOUGHT MAYBE DOING SOMETHING BASED ON, UH, RAILROADS OR THE LOGGING INDUSTRY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE THERE.
WE HAVE THE RAILROAD TRACKS NEARBY.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, LOGGING IS SUCH A BIG PART OF OSIS HISTORY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
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THIS ONE WE JUST THREW IN THE OTHER DAY AS I WAS, UH, THERE OBJECTING TO MY TAX APPRAISALTHE TAX OFFICE IS IN THERE AND THERE'S SOME ATTORNEYS, THE SQUALL FACES WEST.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO GET APPROVAL, BUT IT HAS GOOD VISIBILITY.
IT'S RIGHT THERE BY THE FARMER'S MARKET.
ONE OF THE VISUALS THAT WE RAN ACROSS A LONG TIME AGO, AND WE ABSOLUTELY LOVE, IS THIS OLD PHOTO OF THESE GUYS GOING OUT TO FIGHT A FIRE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OLD FIRE TRUCK AND LOOK AT THE GUY IN THE SUIT, IN THE FRONT SEAT.
WE FIGURED HE MUST BE THE MAYOR
BUT I MEAN, IT WOULD, IT'S A FUN THING AND IT TELLS A STORY, SO WHY NOT HAVE SOME FUN WITH THESE PICTURE? RIGHT.
WELL, ON THAT WALL I WOULD, DOWNTOWN, OH, ONE OF EVERY SATURDAY FRUIT VEGETABLES CAME THROUGH THAT OH HUNDRED FEET.
DO WE HAVE SOME OLD PHOTOGRAPHS YOU THINK OF THAT? I KNOW WE HAVE SOME FROM THE 60, THE 1960S.
UM, AND I'M SURE THERE'S PROBABLY SOME OTHER ONES.
WE HAVEN'T DONE RESEARCH AT THE EAST TEXAS RESEARCH CENTER YET, BUT I KNOW THE HISTORIC SITE STAFF, WE PROBABLY HAVE THREE OR FOUR PHOTOS FROM THE 1950S TO PROBABLY THE SEVENTIES.
UM, AND I'M SURE THERE'S SOME BEFORE THAT.
JUST YOU, THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS ELECTRONICS.
SO, UH, DURING THE ELECTION TIME, THERE WAS THIS HUGE CHALKBOARD.
AND THEY PUT IT ON THE SQUARE, AND THEN LIKE, WHEN CYCLES BOX CAME IN, THEY WOULD ALL THE VOTES.
AND THAT'S HOW THEY WOULD, AND THAT'S HOW WE FOUND OUT.
AND THERE WOULD BE JUST A BIG GATHERING DOWNTOWN ON ELECTION NIGHT GOING OFF THE CHALK BOARD AND SOMEBODY ADDING IT UP.
AND THAT WAS, AND I DID IT IN THE FIFTIES.
I REMEMBER GOING, I WONDER IF THERE'S ANY PICTURE.
UH, THIS IS MY LAST SLIDE AND I JUST THREW THIS INTO, SHOW YOU, THESE ARE SOME HISTORIC MURALS THAT ARE IN SAN ANGELO.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY WERE DEPICTING DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF, UM, CITY LIFE THERE.
I, I'M PRETTY SURE THESE WERE ALL DONE BY THE SAME ARTIST.
IF NOT, THEY WERE VERY CAREFULLY CURATED SO THAT THEY ALL KIND OF HAVE THE SAME LOOK TO FEEL.
UM, BUT I, I THINK THEY'RE VERY TASTEFUL AND FUN.
YORK OLD HIGH SCHOOL ON THE SAME CAMPUS AND KEEP IT WITH THE CHILDREN.
AND CAN I ADD ONE THING BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? UM, SO THE, THE DESIGNS AND THE IDEAS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE DESIGN COMMITTEE HAS WORKED VERY HARD ON AND COME UP WITH.
THESE DESIGNS AND IDEAS HAVEN'T BEEN, UM, BROUGHT TO THE MAIN STREET BOARD FOR APPROVAL, ENDORSEMENT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS KIND OF OUR DESIGN COMMITTEE'S WORKING DOCUMENT.
UM, AND SO WITH OUR PROCESS IN MAIN STREET, IDEALLY THEY'D BE BROUGHT TO THE MAIN STREET ADVISORY BOARD, UM, FOR APPROVAL OR FOR ENDORSEMENT, AND THEN, UM, GO FORWARD WITH OUR MURAL PROCESS THAT WE HOPE TO DO TODAY.
SO THERE'S BEEN NO MONEY SPENT ON THIS AT THIS POINT.
WE DON'T HAVE AN ARTIST ENGAGED.
WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY FORMAL AGREEMENTS WITH ANY PROPERTY OWNERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNEW WHERE WE WERE IN THE PROCESS.
IS THERE PURELY THE IDEAS OF WEEK THREE
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CAR CHARGING STATION THERE.YOU LIKE MY HIDE IT IN THE CORNER
ANYWAY, SO I'M GONNA GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND TO WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY TOO.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE, UM, SO MANY PEOPLE HAD SO MANY DIFFERENT IDEAS AND SO MANY DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
I ACTUALLY PAINTED ONE PICTURE AND I THINK IT'S PRETTY GOOD, BUT THAT'S IT.
I SPENT, I WENT TO COLLEGE IN WASHINGTON, DC AND EVERY SATURDAY MORNING I WOULD GO TO THE NATIONAL GALLERY ON MY OWN AND JUST GO THROUGH THE, THE GALLERY FOR YEARS.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S MY, THE EXTENT OF MY ART.
AND SO YOU ALL ARE THE EXPERTS AND YOU HAVE DONE SO MUCH WORK AND, UH, PUT YOUR HEART AND SOUL INTO THIS.
MY PERSONAL, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE.
AND SO I WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, WHAT I HOPE TO DO WITH THIS IS MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE MOVING FORWARD.
THAT IF WE, IF TO FIGURE OUT WHEN WE ALL NEED TO GET TOGETHER JUST TO BRAINSTORM OR IF WE DON'T NEED TO GET TOGETHER, WHAT'S OUR INVOLVEMENT? WHO'S, AND SO FOR THAT PROCESS, I SAT DOWN WITH ROBERT AND WITH GAIL AND WE TALKED A LOT AND WE WROTE THINGS AND I SAT DOWN WITH LYNN AND WITH TORI AND LISTENED.
SO WHAT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU IS WHAT I THINK I'VE HEARD.
SO IT'S NOT MY IDEAS OR MY QUESTIONS, IT'S THINGS THAT I THINK I'VE HEARD AND THAT I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE CONSENSUS ON.
SO MY WHOLE PURPOSE HERE IS TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON.
AND MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE SOME IDEAS TO HELP SMOOTH THIS PROCESS.
'CAUSE WHAT I HEARD IS THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT, LIKE YOU GO TO HPLC AND THEN YOU GO TO MAIN STREET, AND THEN YOU GO TO, AND YOU HAVE YOUR COMMITTEE, AND THEN WHERE DOES THE COUNCIL FIT IN? SO I'M HOPING WE CAN KIND OF STREAMLINE THIS A LITTLE BIT.
AND ALSO THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT MONEY.
WHO GETS THE MONEY, WHAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE LAWS RELATED TO IT? SO I ALSO VISITED, BY THE WAY, WITH OUR WONDERFUL ATTORNEY, JADE BAKER, TO ASK KINSON QUESTIONS AND TO BRING HIM UP DATE.
SO I'M HOPING AT THE END OF THIS, WE'LL, THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS THAT WE DON'T AGREE AND WE CAN PUT THEM TO THE SIDE TO RESOLVE, BUT TO SEE WHAT WE DO AGREE ON, SO THAT WE WILL HAVE, I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT I GOT HERE OF PRINCIPLES AND PHILOSOPHIES THAT WE'LL AGREE ON THE PRINCIPLES AND PHILOSOPHIES THAT WE AGREE ON A BROAD APPROVAL PROCESS.
WHAT, WHAT, UM, THE ONE YOU HAVE HERE THAT JESSICA'S TALKING ABOUT IS A VERY, VERY SPECIFIC INTERNAL APPROVAL PROCESS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT A, A BROADER APPROVAL PO A PROCESS THAT INCLUDES THE COUNCIL, THE, UH, DOLLARS AND ALL THAT.
SO APPROVAL PROCESS, PRE BASIC FUNDING, SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT FUNDING THAT I HEARD.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE OTHER THING THAT I DID HEAR WHEN I WAS TALKING WITH ROBERT, GAIL, LYNN AND TORI IS THERE'S A REAL INTEREST, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THESE ONE AT A TIME SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA GO BACK THROUGH, BUT THAT WE CAN, THAT THERE'S A REAL INTEREST IN GETTING SOME THINGS DONE BY OCTOBER BECAUSE MAIN STREET, WHAT IS IT CALLED? THE MAIN STREET, THE TEXAS DOWNTOWN CONFERENCE.
TEXAS DOWNTOWN CONFERENCE IS COMING HERE IN OCTOBER.
WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT CAN WE AGREE ON THAT CAN BE DONE AND TRY AND WHAT, HOW CAN WE SMOOTH THAT PROCESS? I'M GONNA GO BACK AND I, I JUST HOPE THAT GAVE GAVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO HERE.
SO, OKAY, SO I CALLED IT AND, AND I COULDN'T READ YOUR POWERPOINT, LYNN, OR I WOULD'VE HAD MORE SPECIFICS.
I, IT JUST DIDN'T COME UP ON MY COMPUTER TODAY VERY WELL.
OR I WOULD'VE HAD THE SPECIFICS.
AND JESSICA, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU HEAR THINGS THAT AREN'T IN THERE.
SO RIGHT HERE, YOU KNOW, THESE PRINCIPLES MM-HMM
THERE'S SOME PRINCIPLES SHE WROTE DOWN HERE THAT WE NEED TO INCLUDE.
SO IF YOU COULD TAKE THE NOTES MM-HMM
SO THIS IS WHAT I HEARD, THAT YOU WANT POSITIVE MURALS, THAT THIS IS, WE WANT TO PUT A POSITIVE FACE FORWARD, NICE TO LOOK AT THAT PEOPLE WILL WANT TO SEE AGAIN.
SO I'M GOING TO STOP AT EACH ONE AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE AGREEMENT.
DO WE ALL HAVE AGREEMENT ON THAT HAS 30 YOU ALL, I'M LOOKING AT YOU CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE TOO.
I TELL YOU WHAT, YOU STOP ME IF YOU DISAGREE ON ANY ONE OF THESE.
UM, AS FAR AS ON THE STAFF END, WHEN WE SAY POSITIVE, NICE TO LOOK AT, ARE THERE PARAMETERS Y'ALL ARE HOPING TO HAVE ON THAT? BECAUSE I THINK THE POSITIVE NICE TO LOOK AT IS, IS DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHO'S, SO LET ME, LET ME, LET ME STOP YOU RIGHT THERE.
THAT'LL BE UP TO, THESE ARE THE BROADEST STATEMENTS.
AND THEN LATER ON YOU CAN HELP INTERPRET THOSE.
BUT AS LONG AS WE AGREE ON THOSE OKAY.
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SOMETHING POSITIVE THAT WE DON'T WANT NEGATIVE IMAGES, THAT IT, UM, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, BUT WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT.UM, HISTORICALLY ACCURATE, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT UP THERE, WE WANT IT TO BE ACCURATE.
WE DON'T WANT TO PAINT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT TRUE, THAT IS A, AN INACCURATE THING THAT HIGHLIGHTS, UM, OUR RICH AND DIVERSE HISTORY.
THESE SEEM TO BE THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT HIGHLIGHTS CURRENT CREATIVITY.
UM, AND HIGHLIGHTS THE BEAUTY OF THE CITY, THE REGION STATE, IT ENCOURAGES EXPLORATION OR SOMETHING ELSE.
ANY OF THOSE, ARE WE ANY OF THOSE A PROBLEM? OR WHAT DOES CURRENT CREATIVITY MEAN? I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S A, IT'S A, THAT CAME FROM SOMEBODY AND THEY, THEY SAID, AS LONG AS WE CAN BE A LITTLE CRE.
SO I'LL GIVE YOU, UM, AN EXAMPLE FROM WHAT YOU SAID.
THE ONE OF YOUR SLIDES SAID THIS, WE WANT TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE.
WHATEVER IT WAS, OR THE, OR THE PICTURE.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH SLIDE IT WAS.
WAS IT THE FIRST RENDERING RIGHT HERE? FIRST ONE? YEAH.
SO, SO SHE COULD PUT TOGETHER SOME THINGS AND IT WAS MORE CREATIVE SO THAT, THAT, I DON'T THINK WE WANNA INHIBIT THAT.
SO, BUT YOU'RE AGAIN, JESSICA, THIS WILL HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, YOUR IDEA OF CREATIVITY IN MIND I KNOW ARE DIFFERENT BECAUSE SHE HAPPENED TO BE IN A CREATIVE, YOU KNOW, UH, FIELD AND I'M NOT, OKAY.
SO ANY OTHER THINGS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO YOU'RE GONNA EXPLORE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, JESSICA, YOU AND YOUR STAFF, AND WE'LL COME, WE'LL BRING THAT BACK AND YOU'RE GONNA ALSO EXPLORE WHAT POSITIVE MEANS AND ALL THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? ARE WE GOOD? ARE WE ALL GOOD ON THIS? I'M GOOD, CHAD.
AND THIS PART, I WASN'T SURE I HEARD RIGHT, THAT IT SHOULD RELATE TO MACCHAS TO EAST TEXAS OR TEXAS.
ARE WE, I THINK I HEARD THAT FROM YOU, ROBERT.
MAYBE NOT, BUT I, I AGREE WITH IT FOR SURE.
AN EXAMPLE OF THIS IS LYNN WAS TALKING ABOUT HAVING FLOWERS.
WELL, THEY SHOULD BE FLOWERS THAT ARE HERE.
RIGHT? THEY SHOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, FLOWERS THAT YOU'D FIND IN CALIFORNIA, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, POINT SEVENS DON'T GROW HERE OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'VE GOT A FLORIST EITHER GARNER.
DID, ARE WE GOOD ON THAT? DOES THAT YES, WE'RE ALL ON THAT.
SEE, WHAT I'M HOPING TO DO IS WRITE THIS INTO A DOCUMENT, BRAD.
I, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY I LIKE ALL YOUR IDEAS.
AND IT'S FAR FROM MY FIRST IMPRESSION, BUT I WENT TO ONE BOARD MEETING AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING.
BUT I MEAN, I DIDN'T, I JUST WAS THERE.
AND, AND THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, AND I TELL MY STUDENTS, I'VE TOLD PEOPLE BEFORE, WHEN I SAY PAINT A WALL GREEN, THERE'S 147 DIFFERENT SHADES OF GREEN.
BUT, BUT I, TO SEE IT ACTUALLY, WHAT YOUR VISION IS IS REALLY NICE.
SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I'M NOT HERE TO TEAR THINGS UP.
AND, AND ACTUALLY THE WAY, IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE WAY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL TOGETHER IS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS MM-HMM
TO PUT IT OUT THERE AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE FULL AGREEMENT ON THE PARAMETERS.
NOW, LATER ON, WE MIGHT GET TO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, LIKE GAMBLING AND CHES, MAYBE YOU WANT TO PUT A GAMBLING THING AND YOU KNOW, AND SOMEBODY ELSE MAY THINK, WELL, THAT'S NOT REALLY A POSITIVE THING, BUT WE CAN WORK THROUGH WHATEVER.
BUT, BUT, BUT MOSTLY IF WE GET THESE PARAMETERS SET, I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD, IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE.
UM, YOU GOOD? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THIS IS JUST, WE JUST NEED TO HAVE, OKAY.
AND THEN, AND I WROTE DOWN A AND OUR APPROACH WILL ALWAYS BE COLLABORATIVE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SETTLE ON THAT.
SO WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LAST SLIDE.
WHERE, WHAT IT, WHERE IT INCORPORATES TEXAS UHHUH.
I MEAN, HOPEFULLY, SO I HAVE IT IN ORDER.
I WOULD, I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD ALL AGREE.
WE REALLY WANTED IT TO RELATE TO ACADEMIC.
IT COULD RELATE TO EAST TEXAS IF WE DECIDE SOMETHING AND IT COULD RELATE TO TEXAS, BUT THAT'S IN ORDER.
SO, SO, AND IF YOU WANT TO TAKE OFF, UH, TEXAS AND EAST TEXAS, YOU CAN NO, NO.
LIKE IF WE DO SOMETHING WITH EL CAMINO REAL, THAT'S KIND OF PULLING IN THE REST OF
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THE STATE.IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY UP TO US.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN TAKE SOME OF THOSE OFF.
I'M JUST TRYING TO NO, I LEAVE IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE RIGHT ORDER.
SO, SO JESSICA, WHEN WE WRITE THIS DOWN, IF YOU COULD PUT IN THAT ORDER YES.
THAT WOULD HELP, DON'T YOU? IS THAT OKAY THAT I ASK? SO IN THAT PRIORITY, THEN THAT MAKES REALLY GOOD SENSE.
ON THE OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS FIRST, I ONLY HAVE A FEW SLIDES, SO IT'S, IT'S GOOD.
SO THEN THE NEXT ONE IS, I, AND I PERSONALLY PUT THIS UP THERE, AND WE ALL TALKED ABOUT THIS.
I HOPE OUR APPROACH WILL ALWAYS BE COLLABORATIVE.
WE'RE THE COUNCIL, THE STAFF, ARTISTS.
UH, SOMETIMES PEOPLE THINK I'M JUST ME, BUT ACTUALLY I HAVE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO CALL ME AND ASK ME QUESTIONS AND TO TELL ME.
AND IT'S HELPFUL TO BE ABLE TO SET OUR PARAMETERS AND TO THINK ABOUT THEM TOO.
UM, AND WE WILL WORK TOGETHER TO RESOLVE ANY DIFFERENCES AND FIND SOLUTIONS.
I WOULD LIKE US TO AGREE ON THAT, IF THAT SOUNDS GOOD.
OR AS THEY SAY, THESE TEXT AGREEANCE, WE ALL IN AGREEANCE.
ONE THING YOU CAN ADD TO THAT IS IF YOU WANT TO PUT LIKE UNDER NOTHING POLITICAL BUT NOTHING ADVERTISING.
BUT, BUT I THINK LIKE COCA-COLA IS, THAT'S, THAT'S, NO, I DON'T, THAT'S A HISTORY.
THAT'S A HISTORIC GHOST MURAL.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YEAH.
WE, IT'S KIND OF GRANDFATHERED IN.
WE, WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, I DON'T WANT MY NAME ON I DID NOT.
THAT'S WHERE YOU WELL, SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY HISTORIC.
I KIND OF LIKE THE, I JUST THINK IT LOOKS HISTORIC.
SO, I MEAN, I'LL IT IF YOU WANT, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE MY, I I COULD CARE LESS MAYBE AS FAR AS MY BUILDINGS.
WELL, MAYBE WE COULD, CAN WE COUCH IT INTO, UM, YOU ALL CAN BE ARTISTS.
IS THERE A WAY TO, THERE ARE SOME MURALS THAT ARE CONSIDERED GHOST MURALS WHERE THEY HAVE REACHED A STATE PAST WHERE THERE TOO FAR DETERIORATED.
UH, AND IT'S, IT KIND OF DOES MORE HARM TO THE HISTORY OF THE MURAL TO RENEW IT OR PAINT OVER IT.
UM, SO THERE ARE SOME MURALS IN DOWNTOWN THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED THAT THERE'S ONE ON THE SIDE OF DOLLY'S THAT IS EXTREMELY FADED.
UM, SO THERE ARE SOME THAT WE DO HAVE THAT ARE CONSIDERED HISTORIC THAT WE CAN KEEP, UM, YEAH.
THAT'S MORE OF AN, THAT'S MORE OF AN ADVERTISEMENT THAT IS ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, SO FOR, I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD THE MURALS ARE ON YOUR BUILDING, MAYOR.
SO IF THEY ARE THAT OLD, THE TYPICAL IS 50 OR 60 YEARS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WELL MAYBE WE CAN LEAVE THAT DISCUSSION TO THE, YOU KNOW, TO THE COMMITTEE.
I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO GO OUT AND, AND WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO SPEND CITY DOLLARS TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE KATHLEEN VILLAGE OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
AND AS FAR AS THE ADVERTISING IS THE CONCERN NOT ADVERTISING A SPECIFIC PRODUCT, BECAUSE SOME OF OUR IDEAS EARLY ON WAS LIKE, SHOP, EAT, DRINK DOWNTOWN NACODOCHES.
SO ADVERTISING DOWNTOWN IS LIKE A DESTINATION.
AS FAR AS MY BUILDINGS, I DID NOT WANT JOHNSON'S FURNITURE LAWN.
I KNOW IN ANTIQUE RESTORATION, IF YOU PAINT IT WHERE IT LOOKS BRAND NEW, YOU REDUCE THE VALUE REPAINTING COCA-COLA ON THAT GONNA REDUCE THE, THE, A ATTRACTIVENESS OF IT, EVEN THOUGH IT'D BE FRESH AND NEW.
BUT IT IT'S AN ANTIQUE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS YEAH, IT WAS ORIGINAL.
IT, IT IS NOT TRULY AN ANTIQUE.
IT WAS A, IT'S WHAT'S CALLED A GHOST MURAL.
COCA-COLA PAID ARTISTS, ALL OF THE UNITED STATES TO PAINT THESE GHOST MURALS TO MAKE 'EM LOOK LIKE THEY WERE REAL OLD.
THAT WAS PAINTED IN 86 OR 87 I THINK SO.
BUT THAT, THAT LOOK, THAT ANTIQUE LOOK, THAT VINTAGE LOOK IS, ESPECIALLY IN ADOS BEING THE OLDEST TOWN IN TEXAS KIND OF GIVES IT A DIFFERENT FEELING.
AS OPPOSED TO A BRAND NEW PAINTED MURAL THAT DOESN'T LOOK VINTAGE.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE HE'S COMING FROM.
YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF BRAND NEW SIGN.
OH NO, IT'S GONNA BE IDENTICAL.
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WHERE THE PAINT IS PEELING OFF THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.THERE'S ONE HERE AT THE TOP WHERE THERE'S RUST THAT'S COME DOWN.
AND SO THAT IS, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULD SEAL IT WITH A CLEAR COAT YEAH.
AND FREEZE NOWADAYS? SOME ARE GOOD.
THERE'S A FELLOW, THERE'S A FELLOW IN, UH, JULIA, TEXAS THAT PAINTS THOSE, UH, MURALS LIKE THAT COCA-COLA, DR.
AND HE, THE BRAND NEW WALL, HE MAKES 'EM LOOK OLD JUST ABOVE THIS.
THE WAY HE BRUSHES IT, IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE AN OLD DETERIORATING MURAL AND THE SEALS THEY LAST FOREVER.
DO WE WANT TO PUT IN THERE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE A VINTAGE LOOK OR NOT? I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT ON OR MAINTAIN.
IS THAT SOMETHING THE, THE 1980S, THEY WERE BORN IN 2005
WELL LET'S WRITE THAT DOWN THERE ON THERE.
MAINTAIN A VINTAGE LOOK IF POSSIBLE.
AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MOST LIKELY SPECIFIC TO THE COCA-COLA MURAL, RIGHT? OH, WELL.
SO I'M TRYING TO KEEP WHAT IS FOR ALL OF 'EM.
SO WE DON'T NEED, IF WE DON'T NEED THAT ON THERE, LET'S, LET'S NOT DO, OKAY.
AND ONE OTHER ONE THAT, UM, THAT I WAS TOLD, UH, SOMEBODY CALLED ME RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING, UM, UM, WALLY DID, AND HE SAID, MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE, DON'T PAINT ON THE HISTORIC UNPAINTED BRICKS.
SO THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN ON THAT.
AND THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF OUR CURRENT CITY ORDINANCE.
IT FALLS UNDER OUR CHAPTER 50 OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION THAT HLPC REGULATES THE TYPES OF SURFACES THAT CAN BE PAINTED IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
SO IF YOU AND THE, UM, SPOTS THAT LYNN HAS PICKED OUT, SHE AND I HAVE DISCUSSED.
'CAUSE IF IT'S A BRICK THAT'S ALREADY PAINTED, IT CAN BE PAINTED AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S ESSENTIALLY MAINTENANCE.
IF IT'S A BRICK THAT IS NOT PAINTED, WE DON'T ALLOW IT.
JUST BECAUSE THEN YOU, YOU REALLY CAN'T GET THAT PAINT OFF.
AND IT DOES SEAL THE BRICK IN A WAY IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SEALED.
SO THAT IS CURRENTLY IN YOUR ORDINANCE.
SO I, I THINK IT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL TO INCLUDE IT HERE.
IN THE OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE, NOW, BEFORE I MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, LYNN, YOU HAD SEVERAL THINGS ON YOUR FIRST PAGE.
I WANT TO SEE IF ANY OF THESE, YOU KNOW, UM, NEED TO BE UP THERE.
I THINK IT, I THINK A, A, A COUPLE DO.
UM, CAREFULLY CURATED PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE ON THERE, BUT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE CAREFULLY AND THE PRINCIPLES THAT THAT THERE, THAT THESE WILL ALL BE CAREFUL, CAREFUL, CAREFULLY CURATED.
THERE WOULD BE DESIGN CONTINUITY AND I THINK THE OTHERS LOOK ON YOUR FIRST PAGE.
AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT INCLUDED IN THESE, IN THESE, UH, IN THIS POLICY OVERDUE THING.
SO WE'LL INCLUDE CAREFULLY HERE.
I MEAN, I, I'M A REAL BIG ONE ON HAVING DESIGN CONTINUITY.
AND PART OF THAT IS GOING TO BE THAT EACH MURAL WILL HAVE A PLAQUE WITH THE NAME OF THE ARTIST AND ALL OF THE DONORS, UH, FOR THAT PARTICULAR MURAL.
AND ALSO EACH MURAL WILL HAVE A QR CODE.
AND THE QR CODE WILL, UH, GIVE FURTHER BACKGROUND ON THE MURAL.
EACH MURAL WILL HAVE A Q WORK.
I MUST SEE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE TO JESSICA.
WHICH PAGE ARE WE ON? FILL ON PAGE ONE OR PAGE.
SHE WAS REFERENCING LYNN'S FIRST PAGE TO MAKE SURE ALL THIS WAS IN THE, SO ONLY WE ADDED WERE THAT, UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA PAINT ON HISTORIC UNPAINTED BRICKS OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT THAT.
'CAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE KNOW THE ORDINANCE THAT IT'LL, THEY'LL ALL BE CAREFULLY CURATED.
THAT THERE WILL BE DESIGN CONTINUITY AND EACH MURAL WILL HAVE A QR CODE.
AS WELL AS ARTIST CREDIT AND DONOR CREDIT PLAQUE.
AND YOU, YOU'RE WANTING THE QR CODE TO HAVE THE HISTORY OF THE MURAL OF THE, OF THE SUBJECT OF THE MURAL.
I'M WONDERING WHATEVER YOU WANT
SO PUT ON THERE THOSE QR QR CODES AS OPPOSED TO THEM BEING THEY'RE GONNA BE ON THE PLAQUE.
OR CAN THEY BE CHANGED OVER TIME TO ACCOMMODATE ANY NEW INFORMATION COMING IN? BECAUSE IF YOU WERE TO PAINT IT ON THE MURAL, OR IF YOU WERE TO ENGRAVE IT OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT IN A PERMANENT FASHION, ON TOP OF THE, SHOULD BE A STICKER.
SHOULD BE A STICKER OR SOMETHING.
AND I CAN'T IMAGINE TRYING TO PAINT.
AND WE, THE CITY ACTUALLY PAYS FOR A SERVICE WHERE WE HAVE REPROGRAMMABLE QR CODES.
AND SO IF FOR SOME REASON WE DIRECT TO A WEBSITE THAT GOES OUTTA BUSINESS, THEN I CAN GO ON THE BACK END AND REDIRECT THAT QR CODE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UM, WE HAVE TO USE THAT A LOT 'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF WEBSITES THAT GO OUTTA BUSINESS AND THINGS CHANGE.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE
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PRINTING QR CODES ON ANYTHING THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO REPRINT THINGS CONSTANTLY.I'M GONNA GO TO THE SECOND PAGE BECAUSE RANDY'S READY.
SO THIS APPROVAL PROCESS IS A BROAD ONE.
AND THE OTHER ONE YOU SEE THERE IS VERY, VERY SPECIFIC.
I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE AGREE ON THE BROAD PRINCIPLES.
AND ALSO I'M TRYING TO AVOID ANY FURTHER, ANY ISSUES DOWN THE LINE.
MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME TRACK.
SO ONE, UM, WE WANT IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE.
I MEAN THAT'S COMES FROM THE BUREAUCRAT.
UH, NUMBER TWO, OUR POLICIES AND ORDINANCES ARE OUTLINED IN ADVANCE EXCEPT FOR WHAT WE CHOOSE TO DO BY OCTOBER OR WHATEVER WE SAY WE CAN'T DO AHEAD OF TIME THAT WE AGREE ON.
BUT, BUT WE AGREE ON THE POLICIES, ORDINANCES AND EVERYTHING.
AND HERE'S, THESE ARE JUST QUESTIONS I WROTE DOWN.
DO WE NEED POLICIES, ORDINANCES FOR PRIVATE BUILDINGS IN THE HISTORIC KN? AND WE DON'T NEED TO DECIDE THIS RIGHT NOW, BY THE WAY.
UH, UM, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING YOU NEED TO WORK OUT WITH, UH, JERRY.
AND THESE ARE ALL JUST QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AND WHAT'S HISTORIC NECK LIKE SIGN ORDINANCE IN GRAPEVINE.
THEY HAVE A SIGN ORDINANCE IN GRAPEVINE.
AND UM, SO SHOULD WE JUST SET THAT ONE ASIDE? 'CAUSE THAT'S TOO BIG FOR LIKE, TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S JUST AN IDEA.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN THE POLICIES AND PROCESS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO OUTLINE SOME POLICIES AND PROCESSES FOR PUBLIC BUILDINGS AND THEN OTHER BUILDINGS THAT USE PUBLIC FUNDS.
IT, I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST LISTING THEM THAT THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T, I, UM, I TALKED TO, UM, OUR WONDERFUL ATTORNEY, MR. BAKER AT 2:30 PM AND I DON'T THINK HE'S WRITTEN THEM ALL BY NOW.
SO WE AGREED THAT THOSE ARE THINGS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SETTLE OUT.
SO WHEN YOU SAY PRIVATE BUILDINGS, YOU MEAN NON-COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, RIGHT? NOT, NO.
THEY CAN BE COMMERCIAL, BUT, BUT THEY'RE NOT OWNED BY THE CITY AND WE DON'T HAVE PERMISSION.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME THERE MIGHT BE TWO DIFFERENT, LIKE ON THE CITY WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT, BUT ON PEOPLE AND OTHER PEOPLE OWN SOMETHING.
DO WE NEED, DO WE NEED TO HAVE ANYTHING OR CAN WE JUST GO FORWARD WITH THAT? WELL, I MEAN, IF WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC BUILDINGS, THAT SOUND LIKE I SEE NONE.
THE ONES THAT YOU PRESENTED WERE PUBLIC BUILDINGS THAT I SAW, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, THAT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY TO, TO DEAL WITH THAT.
BECOME AN INDIVIDUAL GRID, THE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO I, I DO KNOW THERE'S SOME PLACES IN, THERE'S SOME CITIES THAT ARE REAL, REAL STRICT AND SO THEY WRITE UP SOME KIND OF, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH IT? YOU'RE NODDING BUT YES.
UM, A LOT OF MAIN STREET CITIES USE UM, UH, PRIVATE PROPERTY AGREEMENTS WHERE IT'S THE MAIN STREET DEPARTMENT OR THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE CITY, WHATEVER ORGANIZATION DOES AN AGREEMENT WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER SAYING THAT THEY'RE GONNA PAINT A MURAL AND THEY KINDA LINE OUT WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO QUITE A FEW CITIES DO IT THAT WAY BECAUSE MOST MURALS ARE ON PRIVATE BUILDINGS IN A HISTORIC AREA OR IN SOME NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO THERE, THERE ARE TEMPLATES FOR THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE CAN ADAPT TO NACODOCHES THE CITY.
TALK ABOUT LIKE EASEMENT, THE CITY OF GEORGETOWN HAS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE THAT GOES INTO HOW LONG CAN THE MURAL STAY UP THERE BEFORE THE PROPERTY OWNER WITHOUT HAVING THE EASEMENT BEING RENEWED.
WHEN CAN THEY GO AND REPAINT OVER IT? 'CAUSE THEN IT'S KIND OF RETURNED BACK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
AND WHO MAINTAINS IT? HOW LONG, ALL OF THAT.
SO GEORGE GEORGETOWN WAS A GREAT ONE.
I JUST PUT IT UP THERE SO THAT WE CAN SEE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE OUTLINED.
WELL, TO TO, TO THAT POINT, UH, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, IN SOME CITIES YOU SEE UH, MURALS ON ELECTRIC BOXES, RIGHT? UH, IN THAT CASE THAT IS CITY, RIGHT.
BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BUILDING.
SO IN THAT CASE, YOU WOULD NEED AN ORDINANCE, WOULDN'T YOU? IDEALLY, UM, WELL I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, THAT'S UP TO MR. BAKER HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED, BUT IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE SOME KIND OF, I, I WANNA STICK TO THE MURALS ON BUILDINGS, BUT IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A POLICY ABOUT THE ELECTRIC STUFF AND ALL THAT.
BUT, BUT MR. BOLDEN, ONE THING TO YOUR QUESTION, AS FAR AS MURALS
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ON PRIVATE BUILDINGS, LIKE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, UM, AS LONG AS HLPC HAS APPROVED PAINTING ON THAT SURFACE, TO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T NEED CITY COUNCIL OR CITY APPROVAL.'CAUSE IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL SIGNAGE, JUST PAINTING SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA DO IT A SOLID COLOR OR A MURAL.
ALL THREE OF MINE, I NEVER GOT APPROVAL, ANY OF THAT.
SO, SO THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT ARE STRICTER AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE A CITY LIKE THAT.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
WELL ISN'T A HISTORIC DISTRICT, YOU HAVE TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL TO CHANGE EVEN PAINT COLORS, ISN'T IT? I DUNNO.
UM, SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTIFICATE, UM, OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COAS, UM, REQUESTING TO PAINT A SURFACE.
UM, IF IT'S A PREVIOUSLY PAINTED, IF IT'S A, YOU KNOW, THE SIDE OF THE MAYOR'S BUILDING, UM, IT'S ALREADY A PAINTED BRICK THAT'S TECHNICALLY ORDINARY MAINTENANCE.
AND SO THOSE THINGS GET ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED, UM, THROUGH MY OFFICE.
IF IT'S, THEY WANNA PAINT THE FRONT OF A BRICK BUILDING THAT'S NEVER BEEN PAINTED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE APPROVAL FROM HLPC.
BUT IF IT IS JUST, IF WE WANTED TO PAINT THE SIDE OF CITY HALL AND IT WAS A PRIVATE BUILDING, YOU COULD JUST GO AHEAD AND PAINT IT WITHOUT ANY SORT OF APPROVAL FROM HLPC BECAUSE IT'S A PAINTED SURFACE.
UM, SO, AND HLPC IN OUR ORDINANCE DOES NOT REGULATE COLORS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE SUGGEST, UM, ONE OF TWO, UM, HISTORIC COLOR PALETTES.
BUT IN OUR ORDINANCE, THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT OF, YOU HAVE TO PICK OUT OF THESE 10 COLORS.
IT JUST MORE LOOKS AT, IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE SURFACE TO PAINT? AND, AND AS WE GET FURTHER ALONG, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, MAYBE WE SHOULD SET UP SOMETHING STRICTER OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
'CAUSE THERE ARE CITIES THAT ARE BOY, WELL SOME OF 'EM ARE LIKE THOSE HOAS THAT YOU KNOW, THAT ARE LIKE WHAT WILL HAVE TO BE CHOP DOWN THE MAILBOX.
YOU GET THE APPROVAL OF ONE BUILDING OWNER AND YOU PUT A NICE MURAL ON IT AND THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR TO IT GOES NOT NO FOND OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, CAN THEY DO THAT? LIKE YOU SAID, NO
BUT I MEAN, THEY'RE VERY INDEPENDENT MINDED.
RIGHT? AND, AND, AND, AND I THINK KATHLEEN'S POINT OF MAKING IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE WHEN YOU START, I'LL BE THE EASIEST PERSON IN THE WORLD.
BUT SOME PEOPLE, WHEN YOU START RESTRICTING EM, TELLING THEM WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO, OH YEAH.
SO LET'S GO ON TO NUMBER THREE.
'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE SO NUMBER THREE, THIS IS SOMETHING WE DO NEED TO DECIDE ON, AGAIN, TO MAKE IT A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS.
WE, WE TALKED, UM, I THINK LYNN AND TORI, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT HOW TO HAVE A COMMITTEE BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S INVOLVED IN THIS NOW.
YOU'VE GOT MAIN STREET, YOU'VE GOT A SUBCOMMITTEE OF MAIN STREET, YOU'VE GOT HLPC, YOU'VE GOT PARKS AND REC AND ANOTHER CAPACITY.
BUT ANYWAY, THERE'S A MOMENT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA WANNA BRING IN OTHER PEOPLE.
AND, AND SO I, I'M JUST GONNA GO OUT A LIMB HERE.
FROM WHAT I WAS, I I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE A COMMITTEE, A FORMAL COMMITTEE THAT IS BASICALLY THE MURAL COMMITTEE AND THAT YOU PICK THAT, THAT YOU THEN REPORT OF COURSE TO, UM, TO, WHAT'S THE WHOLE TITLE? OH, MY TITLE? YEAH.
INTERIM COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR SERVICES, BUT THEN ALSO TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND TO, TO SHORT CHANGE.
SO IF THERE'S ANY KIND, ANY KIND.
I'M SORRY I USED MY HANDS A LOT.
BUT, UM, AND THEN YOU INCLUDE ON YOUR COMMITTEE SOMEBODY FROM H UH, HLPC, UH, IS SOME, AND THEN YOU MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ON YOUR COMMITTEE, SOMEBODY FROM ANY OTHER COMMITTEE THAT YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT.
AND THEN WE CAN JUST APPOINT THE COMMITTEE AND, AND WRITE IT INTO OUR COMMITTEE'S BOOKS.
AND THEN, UM, THAT'S MY SUGGESTION.
BUT YOU DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
BUT THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT PRIOR TO APPOINTING THE COMMITTEE? I THINK LIKE YOU DID AT FIRST HAVE AN AGREEMENT BEFORE A PERSON APPLIES, UH, APPLIES TO THE COMMITTEE OR IS PUT ON THE COMMITTEE.
THEY AGREE TO THE THINGS, EVEN THE AMENDED THINGS EVEN MAKE SURE HAPPENS.
THEY'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL THIS STUFF.
AND, AND I WOULD LET YOU ALL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT RECOMMEND PEOPLE, YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, ON THAT COMMITTEE AND THEN THAT THEN YOU HAVE YOUR OWN COMMITTEE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD SET THAT ASIDE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
'CAUSE IT'S SORT OF IN CONFLICT WITH THE PRO PROPOSED
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PROCEDURES.SO, SO ON THE PRO PROPOSED PROCEDURES, INSTEAD OF WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK, IS THIS A GOOD PROCESS THAT WE CAN THAT OR NOT? THIS ONE? NO.
HAVING THE COMMITTEE, I'M ASKING CREATING A NEW COMMITTEE.
THAT, THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T SHORTCHANGE WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAS TO DO WITH THE STAFF AND ALL OF THE LEVELS OF THE STAFF, UH, PROCESS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT THE COUNCIL AND THE, YOU KNOW, HOW IT, HOW YOU HAVE, WHAT DO YOU THINK? SO JUST SO I'M UNDERSTANDING, IT WOULD BE A, A SEPARATE NEW COMMITTEE, A STANDALONE COMMITTEE MADE UP OF MEMBERS THAT ARE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL OR MEMBERS OF EXISTING LIKE MAIN STREET, HLPC MEMBERS.
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT THE COUNCIL APPOINTS THEM, BUT THAT THIS COMMITTEE THEN IS REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL THE OTHER PIECES TO ME THAT CUTS THROUGH SOME OF THAT RED TAPE.
AND THEN, UM, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO FULL MAIN STREET BOARD OR THEY DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T BE A GOOD IDEA TO GO TO HLPC, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO GO AND GET THESE APPROVALS ONE AT A TIME OR WHATEVER.
SO THEY WOULD FUNCTION AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THEIR RESPECTIVE COMMITTEES? THAT'S RIGHT.
BECAUSE EACH ONE OF THEM WOULD BE REPRESENTED.
SO MY ONLY CONCERN AS FAR AS MORE ON MY END IS THE STAFF CAPACITY.
BECAUSE REPORTING IN OUR OFFICE, WE ALREADY HAVE OUR MAIN STREET ADVISORY BOARD WITH A DESIGN COMMITTEE THAT'S KIND OF DOING SOME OF THIS FUNCTION AS FAR AS THE MAIN STREET DESIGN COMMITTEES COMING UP WITH THE IDEAS AND THEN TAKING IT TO HLPC AND MAIN STREET, WHICH RIGHT NOW, SINCE THESE ARE MAINLY JUST DOWNTOWN, SINCE IT'S ALL LIVING IN MAIN STREET, UM, WE ALREADY HAVE THOSE COMMITTEES SET UP FOR APPROVAL.
SO JUST IN, IN MY WHEELHOUSE, IT WOULD BE HAVING A COMMITTEE, A DESIGN COMMITTEE, AND HAVE A NEW COMMITTEE ABOUT MURALS TALK ABOUT IT.
AND THEN THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO GO GET THOSE APPROVALS THROUGH MAINSTREAM BOARD HLPC AND CITY COUNCIL.
UNLESS YOU'RE SUGGESTING WE HAVE THE MURAL COMMITTEE AND THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO HLPC AND MAIN STREET AND THEY WOULD GO STRAIGHT TO COUNCIL.
UH, I'M SUGGESTING THAT IF IT SIMPLIFIES IT, AND IF YOU THINK THAT WOULD WORK, THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE, THEY COULD ACTUALLY REPRESENTS THAT OTHER COMMITTEE.
I, THAT IS WHAT I'M SUGGESTING TO SIMPLIFY IT.
SO JUST, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND ADMINISTRATIVELY MM-HMM
THE MAIN STREET ADVISORY BOARD IS GONNA BE THE ONE TO RECOMMEND ALLOCATING THE FUNDS EFFECTIVELY.
CORRECT? UH, THEY HAVE SO FAR HAVE ESSENTIALLY DOGEARED $20,000 FOR THIS, BUT THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE 5,000 FOR THIS ONE.
SO IT'S TECHNICALLY GONNA HAVE TO DO IT ANYWAY.
HOPC HAS A MANDATE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR HISTORIC LANDMARKS ARE PRESERVED.
AND SO IT'S REALLY GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THEM TOO.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY, THIS WOULD ACTUALLY ADD ANOTHER LAYER IN THE BUREAUCRACY.
BECAUSE IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THESE OTHERS ANYWAY BEFORE IT COMES TO YOU MM-HMM
WELL, IS THAT, AM I RIGHT? YES.
YEAH, AS FAR AS FROM THE, THE STAFF SIDE OF THE, THE CHANNELS WE HAVE TO RUN IT THROUGH TO GET THE FUNDING, THE APPROPRIATENESS, AND THEN CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL ON IT.
IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THOSE ANYWAY.
I JUST NEEDED TO UNTANGLE IT FOR MY YES.
SORRY,
SO IT'S KIND OF USED INTERCHANGEABLY, UM, THAT, THAT NAME HAS BEEN TOSSED BACK AND FORTH.
SO, SO, SO MY SUGGESTION IS IN THE EARLY STAGES, SO PART OF THIS IS YOU WANT ANY KIND OF DISAGREEMENT OR MAJOR QUESTION OR WHATEVER TO COME UP AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MURALS, YOU HAVE A DESIGNATED PERSON FROM H DISTRICT, HLPC AS PART, I GUESS THAT'S PART OF IT.
AND IF THERE'S SOME OTHER, UH, ENTITY THAT, THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE MAIN STREET COVER, BUT I GUESS IT'S MOSTLY HLPC.
SO I WOULD BRING THEM IN, IN ALL THE DISCUSSIONS AND WE, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.
UH, THE DESIGN COMMITTEE, THE WAY THE MAIN STREET BOARD IS SET UP IS OF COURSE WE HAVE OUR MAIN STREET ADVISORY BOARD THAT'S, UM, APPOINTED BY COUNCIL.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR FOUR COMMITTEES THAT MEET FOR THE FOUR PILLARS OF MAIN STREET THAT ARE A MAIN STREET AMERICA AND A TEXAS THING AS WELL.
UM, AND SO OUR DESIGN COMMITTEE IS MADE UP OF SEVERAL OF OUR MAIN STREET ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, AND THEN OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT, LIKE LYNN AND THE MCCANNS THAT ARE, AND BRANDON THAT ARE, UM, VERY EXCI, BRANDON'S ON OUR COMMITTEE.
UM, THAT ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT MURALS AND OTHER THINGS.
AND IT IS SOMEWHAT FLUID AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FIVE OR SIX MEMBERS THAT COME IN AND OUT WHEN THEIR TIME ALLOWS.
UM, BUT WE CAN INVITE A MEMBER OF HLPC TO, TO JOIN THE DESIGN COMMITTEE AND COME SIT IN ON SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS.
SO THAT'S, SINCE IT'S KIND OF A FLUID COMMITTEE, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT HARD TO DO.
AND SO YOUR FLUID COMMITTEE MM-HMM
IS MY SUGGESTION THAT SINCE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE THINKING THROUGH ALL THIS MM-HMM
THAT THEY ALSO BE A CONTACT POINT FOR, FOR CITY COUNCIL.
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YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IS GO THROUGH ALL THIS PROCESS AND THEN COME ALL THE WAY AT THE END TO CITY COUNCIL.THEN WE GO, WHAT? YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S THE LAST THING.
YOU WANT TO HAVE A COLLABORATIVE, A STREAM WITHOUT BOTHER COMMUNICATION.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONE LAST THING, END OF THE STATEMENT WHICH SAYS IT DOES NOT REVIEW COLORS, DESIGN IMAGERY, OR WORDING.
SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY, YOU CAN DO ALL OF THIS AND THEN WE'RE GONNA NEGATE IT AND THEY DO ANYTHING THEY WANT.
THAT JUST SEEMS TO BE THE WAY IT READS.
IS THAT THE WAY IT READ? WHAT ON, ON WHICH PART ARE YOU? THIS ONE RIGHT HERE AT THE VERY LAST SENTENCE.
WELL, THIS IS, NO, I'M STILL, OH, I SHOULDA MY POWER.
BUT AS, AS FAR AS TO THE NOTE AND MR. MALL'S, COUNSELMAN MALL'S, REFERRING TO THE LAST BULLET POINT ON MY MURAL PROCESS.
UM, SO ANY OF THE, THE MURALS WOULD COME BEFORE HLPC TO SAY, YES, THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO PAINT A MURAL.
UM, AS FAR AS IF IT'S A PAINTED OR UNPAINTED SURFACE.
BUT HLPC BY OUR CITY ORDINANCE CANNOT REVIEW OR CANNOT APPROVE.
THEY CAN LOOK AT THE COLORS AND THE DESIGN, AND THEY CAN GIVE OPINIONS ON, I LOVE THIS MURAL, I HATE THIS MURAL.
UM, BUT IN OUR ORDINANCE AND HOW THEY'RE SET UP, THERE'S NO WAY FOR THEM TO REGULATE THE COLOR, THE DESIGN IMAGERY OR THE WORDING.
SO THEY WOULD REVIEW IT AS FAR AS, CAN YOU PAINT HERE OR CAN YOU NOT PAINT HERE? AND THEY CAN GIVE OPINIONS, BUT THEY CAN'T SAY WE DON'T LIKE IT 'CAUSE IT'S PURPLE, SO WE'RE GONNA DENY IT.
UM, THEY CAN ONLY APPROVE OR DENY BASED ON THE SURFACE THAT'S BEING PAINTED, WHO WOULD LIKE IT OR DISLIKE IT AND APPROVE IT OR DENY CITY COUNCIL.
SO IS, WHICH IS THAT'S WHAT SHE'S TRYING, THAT'S A MOMENT WHERE ALL THESE THINGS HAPPEN AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, WE, HERE WE ARE, WE'VE DONE ALL THIS WORK.
AND EVERYBODY GOES, WHOA, IS IT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S ALL, THESE ARE JUST FOUR OR FIVE INDIVIDUALS, THEY DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING.
BUT I THINK THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE A COLLECTIVE BREAK OR, UM, OR, UH, OH, OR I GUESS THAT WORRIES ME A LITTLE.
SO HOW ABOUT IF WE MODIFY, WE DON'T NEED TO APPOINT THEM IF YOU HAVE THEM, BUT, BUT YOU TELL US WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE.
BECAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND THEIR CAPACITY ON THIS COMMITTEE, THEY SHOULD SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU KNOW, THE COLOR BLACK IS, IS A TOTAL INAPPROPRIATE THING FOR OUR HISTORY HERE.
AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN GIVE THEIR OPINION.
DID YOU WANT EVERYTHING? YOU, YOU WANNA AVOID ALL THE SNAGS? YOU KNOW, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO ENVISION SNAGS.
JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, NOW WHENEVER IT SAYS DETERMINE APPROPRIATENESS, NOW YOU, I KNOW YOU WERE JUST USING AN EXAMPLE, BUT YOU SAID FOR EXAMPLE, THE COLOR BLACK, RIGHT? YES.
IT DOES SAY THEY CAN'T REVIEW COLORS.
SO IN WHAT CASE WOULD SOMETHING BE DEEMED INAPPROPRIATE OR APPROPRIATE? JUST THE LOCATION AS FAR AS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HLPC APPROVAL AND REVIEW.
IS THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING CURRENTLY PAINTED, THEN IT'S APPROPRIATE.
YOU CAN REPAINT IF IT'S A BRICK BUILDING THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY PAINTED, THAT THAT'S UP TO HLPC TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THAT.
USUALLY IF IT'S UNPAINTED BRICK, IT IS USUALLY DENIED BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT PAINT BACK OFF OF IT, AT LEAST NOT VERY EASILY.
AND WITHOUT DAMAGING THE BRICK TO A HORRIBLE EXTENT.
YOU MEAN THAT USUALLY IS IT ALWAYS, OR AS FAR AS THE HLPC APPROVAL? I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE STATISTICS AND DON'T QUOTE ME ON IT, BUT I WOULD PROBABLY SAY 98% OF THE TIME THEY HAVE DENIED PAINTING UNPAINTED BRICK.
UM, JUST BECAUSE, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR OLD BRICK IN DOWNTOWN NACODOCHES, IT'S AN OLDER FORM OF BRICK THAT IF YOU COVER IT WITH PAINT, IT NO LONGER BREEDS AND THEN IT FALLS APART BEHIND IT.
UM, SO I WOULD PROBABLY SAY, AND ONCE AGAIN, DON'T QUOTE ME, BUT IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE NINETIES FOR THEY DO NOT APPROVE PAINTING UNPAINTED BRICK.
SO, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT BASED ON THE COLORS, IT'S JUST THAT.
SO MY SUGGESTION, MY SUGGESTION ONCE AGAIN IS YOU GET A MEMBER FROM HL PC WHO'S A TOTAL FUNCTIONING MEMBER WHO CAN QUESTION COLORS.
YOU COULD DO WHATEVER, GET A MEMBER, UM, BECAUSE YOU WANT A COLLABORATIVE STRUCTURE RATHER THAN JUST AUTHORITARIAN STRUCTURE.
YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THESE STRUCTURES THAT THEY HAVE TO APPROVE.
THEY HAVE TO APPROVE, WHETHER NOT THE DENY YOU WANT COLLABORATION AT THAT LITTLE PLACE, AND YOU'RE MISSING HLPC AND THAT'S ALL I SUGGEST, PC.
SO WE, WE CAN TAKE THAT APPOINTED BY COUNSEL, BUT I THINK YOUR, YOUR GROUP SHOULD, SHOULD COME BACK COUNCIL ON A REGULAR BASIS INSTEAD OF REPORT.
THAT MAY BE A BAD, YOU KNOW, SO LIKE ON A REGULAR SCHEDULE.
SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS WHERE WE ARE NOW.
THIS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT CAN BE DECIDED.
BUT YOU, AGAIN, WE, IT'S NOT JUST WHO WE ARE.
I, I HAVE ALL THOSE OTHER PEOPLE WHO CALL ME AND I CAN HELP HEAD OFF THE PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE WAY OVERSENSITIVE TO, YOU KNOW, SOME ISSUE, UM, MR. BOLD, HE WILL HAVE HIS VOTERS AND THE PEOPLE HE HE REPRESENTS WHO MAY BE SENSITIVE TO
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WE, WE, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE, CHAD OVER IN HIS WARD IS ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE.WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IF THE IDEAS ARE COMMUNICATED TO US BEFORE IT COMES TO US FOR APPROVAL,
AND WE'RE ALL JUST GOING IN THE SAME DIRECT.
AND, AND AS FAR AS THE MURAL PROCEDURE THAT WE PUT IN THERE, WE KIND OF FOLLOWED THE SAME SAYING THAT A LOT OF OUR BOARDS DO WHERE THEY VOTE ON IT AND IT'S TAKEN TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
BUT OF COURSE IN HERE IT'S GOT A BIG DRAFT WATERMARK ON THERE.
SO IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, TIMEFRAMES WHERE, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE DESIGN COMMITTEE IS GOOD WITH IT, CITY COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW IT BEFORE IT GOES TO THE NEXT BOARD.
ANY OF THOSE CAN ABSOLUTELY BE BUILT IN HERE.
SO WHY DON'T YOU SUGGEST THEM OKAY.
AND WE'LL JUST HAVE, I CAN DO THAT AND THEN MM-HMM
SO, UH, SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
WE'LL TAKE THAT OTHER ONE OUT.
WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH HOW WE'RE DOING.
UM, I THINK THAT, AGAIN, THESE ARE PRINCIPLES AND AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET PRIVATE FUNDING AND THE DONORS NAMED IN THE SAME WAY FOR EACH MURAL.
AND THAT GETS BACK TO HOW YOU PUT YOUR PLAQUE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
ANY, AM I MESSING UP ON THIS AT ALL? NO.
AND WHEN USING CITY DOLLARS, IT IS APPROVED THROUGH THE COMMITTEE PROCESS.
AND HOPEFULLY I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THAT IN THERE.
THAT THOSE CITY DOLLARS ARE USED TO DRAW GRANT DOLLARS.
I WOULD LOVE MATCHING DOLLARS WHENEVER POSSIBLE.
AND THEN CLARIFY THE USE OF RAISED DOLLARS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE KNOW THE WINE SQUIRRELS DIDN'T GO TO MURALS, WE'RE NOT TO, THIS IS THIS YEAR.
THE WINE SQUIRREL DOLLARS ARE GONNA GO TO MURALS OR 10% OF THE WINE SQUIRREL DOLLARS OR WHATEVER.
JUST CLARIFY THE DOLLARS AND THEN REPORT BACK TO DOLLARS WHERE, WHERE THEY CAME FROM.
ARE WE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THIS ONE? YEAH.
NOW WE GET TO THE IMMEDIATE STEPS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU ALL WANNA GET SOME FUNERALS UP RIGHT AWAY.
SO, UM, IF WE ALL AGREE WITH THE PHILOSOPHY AND, UH, WE HAVE WRITTEN THIS, AND THEN JESSICA, YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH THE EDITED, RIGHT? YES.
AND, AND YOU CAN JUST GIVE IT, I DON'T CARE.
WE NEED TO HAVE A, A COUNCIL MEETING.
I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU JUST EMAIL IT TO US, ALL THE EDITED THING, UH, DO WHAT DO Y'ALL WANT TO DO, COUNCIL, DO YOU WANT TO GO OVER IT OR DO YOU JUST WANNA HAVE IT IN EMAILS? AND WE SAY, I, I, THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID.
AND AN EMAIL OR, SO I THINK WE'RE SORT OF GIVING OUR BLESSING TONIGHT.
AND JESSICA IS JUST WRITING THAT OUT.
IF THERE WERE BIG CHANGES, THEN WE COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS NOT REALLY WHAT WE WERE THINKING.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M HAPPY FOR US TO APPROVE IT, BUT, BUT I THINK, I THINK WHAT WE WANT, BUT WE DO WANT, IT'LL GO LIKE A HANDBOOK OR SOMETHING ON THAT WE CAN PASS OUT.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FINAL COUNCIL MEMBER.
YOU CAN HANDLE THIS ONE OR TWO WAYS.
YOU JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THAT YOU, THAT INCORPORATES ALL THESE THINGS.
BUT WE HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES THAT COVER THOUSANDS OF THINGS THAT WE DO AS A CITY.
EVERYBODY THAT DON'T NECESSARILY END UP IN A BOARD HANDBOOK OR A RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE.
SO WE CAN DO IT IN ANY VERSION OF THAT THAT YOU WANT.
AND THANK YOU FOR SAVING, CLARIFIED WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
SO, WHICH, WHICHEVER WAY YOU WANT TO WORK, JUST, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING DIRECTIONS NOW, BUT I WOULD PROPOSE THAT JESSICA AND HER TEAM WORK ON, UM, GETTING THIS, GETTING THIS, UM, ON PAPER AND THEN SEND IT OUT TO THE COMMITTEE TO EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE TONIGHT.
AND THEN THEY CAN RECEIVE COMMENTS BACK.
AND IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T LIKE OR DON'T UNDERSTAND, OR, OR DOESN'T JIVE WITH ALL OF YOUR NOTES, 'CAUSE ROBERT'S MADE A LOT OF NOTES OVER HERE, UM, THEN, THEN SHE CAN INCORPORATE THAT AND WE'LL, WE'LL JUST KIND OF FLESH THAT OUT BY EMAIL IF THAT'S OKAY.
AND SO WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO ALLOW THE MURALS? WHAT, LYNN, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT FOR THE OCTOBER STUFF? WHAT IS IT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO? AND WHAT DO WE, WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US? SO THEY CAN GO FAST.
WHAT, WHICH ONE DO WE WANT, SIR? I THINK GARDEN CAPITAL OF TEXAS IS THE EASIEST ONE.
AND THE GARDEN CAPITAL LOOKS, I MEAN, DO WE NEED, WHAT DO WE WANNA SEE BEFORE THAT? GARDEN? CAPITAL ONE TREES.
WHAT DID YOU SAY? IT'S THE ONE WITH YOUR NAME ACROSS IT THAT WE'RE GONNA HANG.
I WOULD LOVE SOME FLOWERS IN THERE THOUGH.
WHAT WOULD BE A TIMELINE TO GET A MURAL LIKE THAT COMMISSION COMPLETED A REASONABLE TIMELINE.
PROBABLY TWO TO THREE MONTHS AT LEAST.
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GO AHEAD.YOU'VE ALREADY ENGAGED DIXIE OR TALKED WITH HER? UM, THERE ARE OTHER ARTISTS HERE IN TOWN WHO ARE PROBABLY WILLING TO DO A, UM, A MOCKUP SCALE DRAWING FOR THAT WALL.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT FINISHED BY THE TIME THIS, UH, CITY GROUP GETS HERE.
BUT IF WE'RE UNDERWAY AND HAVE SCAFFOLDING UP AND SHOW THEM THAT WE'RE DOING THAT, IT'S, IT IS, IT IS A REAL BOON TO US AS A FEATHER IN OUR CAP TO DO THAT.
LET ME SAY THIS WITH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO DIXIE, I, I LOVE HER DAD.
I MENTIONED THIS TO HER THREE, FOUR MONTHS AGO.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, ALL I NEED IS HOW MUCH MONEY AM I GONNA HAVE TO SPEND? THAT'S WHAT I'M INTERESTED.
WHO'S GONNA SPEND? I'LL LET YOU KNOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW.
THAT'S GONNA BE, I THINK WELL, WE HAVE TO GO.
SOME OF OUR HICCUP IS IF OF COURSE, IF WE'RE SPENDING OVER $3,000 IN CITY FUNDS, WE WILL HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC, ESSENTIALLY A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS WHERE ARTISTS SEND IN THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, WE SELECT THEM AND THEN CONTRACT WITH THEM TO ACTUALLY DO THE PAINTING.
WE'LL NEVER GET THAT DONE BY OCTOBER THOUGH.
HOW MUCH DO WE THINK? JUST BALLPARK, HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK ON THAT? IF I'M DOING IT? UH, NO, HE DOESN'T GET ON LADDERS.
IT'S NORMALLY $20 A SQUARE FOOT.
IT'S NORMALLY 20 BUCKS A SQUARE FOOT, BUT SQUARE FEET.
I, I THINK FOR, FOR, I JUST WANNA SAY, I THINK FOR A START OUT, IF WE CAN USE SOMEONE LOCAL TO DRAW UP AND APPROVE THE DRAWING, THAT WILL A SCALE DRAWING THAT WILL GO ON THAT WALL.
HE'S DYING TO GET A PAINT BRUSH IN 7, 8, 7 OR 8,000.
I MEAN, I'M, THEN I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I'LL, OKAY.
THE SIZE, THE SIZE OF THAT MURAL IS, YOU KNOW, CAN BE DONE FOR 10,000, 12,000.
JUST BECAUSE CAN I BRING UP ONE THING WITH THAT THEN? NO, NO, I WAS JUST ASKING.
'CAUSE THAT, THAT DOES BRING UP SOMETHING.
IF YOU MENTION THAT YOU ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THE WHOLE THING THAT ESSENTIALLY TAKES OUR CITY STAFF AND THIS ENTIRE PROCESS OTHER THAN HLPC APPROVAL, IT TAKES US COMPLETELY OUT OF IT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THE MURAL PHILOSOPHY AND THINK, AND THAT STUFF'S GREAT.
BUT IF YOU AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN ARE PAYING FOR THE WHOLE THING ON YOUR BUILDING, THAT THAT TAKES SOME OF THESE STEPS OUT OF IT, WHICH IS NOT A BAD THING.
NEED TO SAY, THESE ARE, THESE ARE OUR PARAMETERS.
SO I DON'T THINK RANDY SHOULD PAY FOR THE WHOLE THING.
WE SHOULD APPROACH THE GARDEN CLUBS.
YOU PEOPLE INVOLVED AND EVEN I DON'T TO NO, YOU'RE NOT.
WE, WE, WE'LL, WE'LL, WHATEVER Y'ALL CAN DO THEN FIND OUT.
BUT I'M TELLING YOU TO GET THIS PROJECT AND, AND TO BE A PROJECT THAT WE CAN BE ALL PROUD OF.
AND THE FIRST PROJECT, THAT'S THE GATEWAY.
OUR CITY FROM THE WEST FROM LOOK, TURN ON THE MAIN STREET.
LOOK WHAT HAS HAPPENED ON NORTH AND UH, MAIN STREET.
WOULDN'T WE LIKE TO DO THAT WITH OUR BUILDING? WE'VE GOT OUR, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE ARE RAISING FUNDS TO DO THAT.
WON'T WE DO THAT? IT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A CONTAGION.
OKAY, SO WHAT DON'T, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO GET DONE ABOUT OCTOBER? HOW COME I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO IF THE COMMITTEE HERE DESIGNS IT COMES UP WITH THE PAINTING, ARE YOU THE ONLY ONE WHO NEEDS TO APPROVE IT SINCE IT'S YOUR WALL? WELL, SO
AND YOU GET INPUT AND YOU, AND WE ALL KIND OF DISCUSS IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO UNDER, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU, COLLABORATIVE STRATEGY THAT WORKS THE BEST.
WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO TO GET DONE, TO DO IT THAT WAY, WHATEVER STEPS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, I'M GIVING YOU THE, YOU CAN HAVE A DESIGN WITH, ARE THERE OTHER ARTISTS IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO COME UP WITH A SCALE DRAWING OF WHAT WOULD BE ON THAT WALL OF THE LITTERING AND THINGS? I MEAN, IF, IF WE GOT TWO OR THREE PEOPLE, TWO OR THREE PIECES THAT WOULD GO ON THE WALL FROM DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENT ARTS ORGANIZATIONS AND THINGS DO THAT, THEN WE COULD PRESENT IT.
AND WHAT LEMME GET, RATHER THAN ONE PERSON, I WANNA GET INTO A, ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA GO ON THAT PARTICULAR WALK.
MY SUGGESTION IS YOU BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL, THE DRAFT, AND WE DO REAL QUICKLY AND INFORMAL IF WE HAVE TO.
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19TH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE MAIN STREET BOARD IS BRING? I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT Y'ALL ARE WANTING THE MAIN STREET BOARD TO BRING BACK, BECAUSE IF IT'S, AGAIN, IF IT'S A, A PRIVATELY PAID FOR AND PAINTED AND DESIGN MURAL, THEN MAIN STREET DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE A PART IN IT.THE DESIGN COMMITTEE CAN HELP AND ADVISE.
BUT SO I'M SUGGESTING THAT THAT COMMITTEE MM-HMM
PLAY THIS ROLE OF LIAISON WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND MAKE THAT COMMITTEE BREAK BACK THE, THEIR THOUGHTS AND WHATEVER THE SKETCH IS AND EVERYTHING.
AND THEN I, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S NOT A LEGAL, BUT THIS HELPS KEEP THE WHOLE CITY TOGETHER.
IT HELPS WITH THE CONTINUITY, IT HELPS WITH ALL THE COLLABORATION.
WOULD THIS FOR EVERY SINGLE JUST NOW, I MEAN EVEN ROBERT OR, UM, HE SAID HE'S TRIED TO AN IN, INTO, WITH D WE COULD JUST DO ROBERT AND TRY TO FIND AN ORDERS WITHIN TWO WEEKS AND HE'S PAYING FOR, AND THEN AS LONG AS THEY MOCK MAINSTREAM, NO, WE WOULD BRING IT TO Y'ALL.
PROVE, AND THEN ANYTHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT'S PART OF OUR CITIES CAN GET THAT DONE.
MOCK WHAT IT'S CALLED, YOU KNOW, SHAPE BRUSHING UP THAT I SUGGEST.
BUT THAT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THINGS THAT ARE BEING FUNDED PUBLICLY.
MY SUGGESTION, IT'S NOT MY REQUIREMENT.
MY SUGGESTION IS EVERYBODY'S BETTER OFF IF YOU GO AHEAD AND JUST BRING THEM ALL.
IF YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH IT, BRING IT AND THEN THAT'S IT.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO, I'M JUST, THAT'S JUST MY SUGGESTION.
NOW, IF IT'S PUBLIC FUNDING, SO THE TIMEFRAME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF WE'RE GOING TO USE THE PROCESS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE WHAT OUT? WELL, ARE WE JE WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
I I, I'VE, I'VE, I'M DEALING WITH SOME BUREAUCRACIES RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S NOTHING BUT THAT, THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T JUST BRING IT TO ALL THE DIFFERENT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND YOU CAN DO IT INDIVIDUALLY BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE MURAL.
WE DO WANT TO INCLUDE EVERYONE IN ON IT, BUT WE CAN SHORTSTOP THINGS AND FOCUS ON, IT NEEDS TO BE STARTED MIDDLE OF OCTOBER OR THE SECOND WEEK IN OCTOBER.
AND WE JUST FOCUS ON THAT AND EVERY, EVERYBODY GETS TOGETHER AND GET, YOU KNOW, CHOOSE, CHOOSE ONE OF THE DRAWINGS.
IF WE'VE GOT MORE THAN ONE OR TWO OR THREE DRAWINGS, FIND OUT WHAT IT WANTS, WANTS TO BE DONE, AND FIGURE OUT A WAY OF GETTING IT ON THE WALL.
AND AS FAR AS THE MURAL PHILOSOPHY AND THINGS LIKE THAT, LIKE WE MENTIONED, I THINK WE CAN PUT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, HERE'S KIND OF OUR IDEAS AND THE COHESIVE, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTS BEHIND MURALS.
WE WANT DOWNTOWN AND GIVE THAT TO PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS AND SAY, YES, WE SUGGEST YOU FOLLOW THIS.
SAME THING WE DO WITH THE HISTORIC COLOR PALETTE.
BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S PRIVATELY FUNDED AND MAIN STREET'S NOT DOING IT, THEN WE'RE JUST SUGGESTING HERE'S WHAT YOU GO WITH.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THE MAYOR IS HIRING WHOEVER ON HIS OWN, HE CAN KIND OF DO WHAT HE WANTS.
BUT WE WOULD HOPE THAT HE WOULD FOLLOW KIND OF THIS GAME PLAN.
I JUST, I JUST TOLD HIM NOT MM-HMM
OR GO AHEAD, DO WHATEVER YOU GOTTA DO, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.
OTHER PEOPLE OR ME, OR WHATEVER.
SO YOU, YOU ALL KIND PROPOSE WHAT YOU WANT.
I MEAN, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, MORE PEOPLE ARE INCLUDED EARLY ON WITH FEWER PROBLEM AND SOMETIMES TAKING A LITTLE MORE TIME UP FRONT TALKS A LOT MORE TIME LATER.
WE HAVEN'T GOT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS AND WE, WE NEED TO KICK SOMETHING OFF.
BUT THERE'S LIKE, LIKE COWBOY JACKS.
YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING, UH, WITH THE CONQUISTADORS OR THE, YOU KNOW, MEXICAN HISTORY.
YOU GO TO THAT PERSON AND YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING MEXICAN HISTORY HERE ON THE WALL AND WE'RE GONNA BE SENDING OUT FOR, FOR ENTRIES OF PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, ARTISTS AROUND TOWN WHO WOULD, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO, YOU INCLUDE THEM IN THE CHOICE OF THE MURALS OF WHAT'S TO BE DONE.
AND, UH, WELL, I, THIS IS, THIS IS ALL I WANTED TO DO AND I FEEL LIKE WE ACCOMPLISHED IT.
THAT WE SET A VISION THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD, UM, LOOKED AT OUR PRINCIPLES, PHILOSOPHY.
WE CLARIFIED AT LEAST OUR INVOLVEMENT IN THE PROCESS.
AND THE WHO MIGHT WHO YOU MIGHT WANT TO, UM, INCLUDE AT A DIFFERENT POINTS.
ARE YOU HAPPY? THOUGHT THAT INFORMATION? I LIKE WHAT YOU PRESENTED.
SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC WILL TELL YOU ONCE YOU DO THAT FIRST MURAL, THEY'RE
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GONNA GO THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN.WE'LL MAKE IT RIGHT THERE IS GONNA KICKSTART YOUR WHOLE PROGRAM.
NOT, NOT EVERYBODY WOULD BE HAPPY, BUT WE'RE GONNA SHOOT FOR 90%.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE A, A, A NICE, NICE SPACE THAT WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, WILL BRING PEOPLE IN.
I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE AND I KNOW WE ALL WANT TO HELP IN.
YOU KNOW, ROBERT, I I, I, I TRIED FOR, AND I, I SHARED THIS.
THE OTHER TWO WALLS ARE MM-HMM
SEE, BUT I TRIED FOR YEARS GET SOMEBODY INTERESTED IN PAYING THAT WEST WALL, FACING THE COURTHOUSE.
NOBODY WOULD EVEN TALK TO ME ABOUT IT.
AND TYSON DAVIS SHOWED UP ONE DAY, I PAINT THAT WALL, HE SAID, WELL, IT'S GONNA BE A BIT MORE, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE
AND HE, BELIEVE ME, HE WORKED HIS DIXIE WAS INVOLVED IN, UH, GIOVANNI WAS INVOLVED IN YEAH.
OR WE CAN PUT SOME BIG LIPS WHERE THE TONGUE HANGING OUT.
YOU KNOW,
I JUST, I I JUST KEEP TELLING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I, I I, I WANT SOME GOVERNANCE ON WHAT IS PUT UP.
I DON'T WANT TO DRIVE THROUGH TOWN AND FIND A PICTURE OF MARILYN MONROE ON THE SIDE OF BILLY, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED.
YOU THINK WE HAVE SOME DIRECTION? DIRECTION? YES, SIR.